cutter07
May 31 2004, 09:40 PM
On spells that are area effect, whether elemental or illusion, etc, how do they work? I can't seem to find in the main book where this is defined.
Eyeless Blond
May 31 2004, 09:46 PM
You're looking for pg. 181, second column, second full paragraph. Continue reading for more info on EMs and how they differ from all other spells with regards to LOS limitations and the like.
ChuckRozool
May 25 2006, 09:18 AM
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OK, so I've read the AoE rules on pg. 181 of SR3, and I have a question of my own?
Tim the Sorcerer ("TIM") casts Mass Confusion ("SPELL") on the CovertOps squad leader ("SQUAD LEADER") who is on the other side of an open doorway. The other CovertOps members (collectively "TEAM") are on either side of the SQUAD LEADER and outside of TIM's Line of Sight ("LOS").
So the question is, does TIM have to have LOS with the TEAM in order for the TEAM to be affected by the SPELL?
The way I'm interpreting Area of Effect ("AOE") is that the AOE radiates out from the chosen target, in this case the SQUAD LEADER. Is this right?
In addition, I am also of the mindset that the AOE would only work as soon as the TEAM enters TIM's LOS. Is this also correct?
Anywho let me know...
Grinder
May 25 2006, 10:17 AM
| QUOTE (ChuckRozool) |
The way I'm interpreting Area of Effect ("AOE") is that the AOE radiates out from the chosen target, in this case the SQUAD LEADER. Is this right?
In addition, I am also of the mindset that the AOE would only work as soon as the TEAM enters TIM's LOS. Is this also correct?
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That's the way we play it: the spell radiates out from the target and hits everyone the caster can see during casting.
ChuckRozool
May 25 2006, 11:46 AM
| QUOTE (Grinder @ May 25 2006, 05:17 AM) |
| That's the way we play it: the spell radiates out from the target and hits everyone the caster can see during casting. |
During casting?
So continuing from the previous example... Tim has cast Mass Confusion on the Squad Leader and is sustaining the spell. The Sqaud Leader becomes disoriented, loses his balance, and falls. Squad Member #2 steps into the doorway in order to cover his downed Squad Leader.
So what you're saying is, when Member #2 steps through the door he wouldn't be affected by the spell because he wasn't in Tim's LoS when he cast Mass Confusion? Even if Tim is sustaining the spell?
Kagetenshi
May 25 2006, 12:04 PM
Why did you have to pick the hard one?
~J
Muzzaro
May 25 2006, 12:14 PM
I'd say that sustaining the spell isn't the same as casting. If you're sustaining it, you're keeping the confusion on the people you can see. If someone new steps in, you can't really 'extend' it to them. You'd have to recast it, leaving the original targets free until you've completed the spell again...
That's my take anyway.
ChuckRozool
May 25 2006, 01:59 PM
Here's some more for ya
| QUOTE (Shadowrun 3rd Edition 7001 @ p. 181) |
| Area spells can affect more than one target at a time. The base radius for all area spells is the caster's Magic Attribute in meters. Area affect all valid tagets within the radius of effect, friend and foe alike (including the caster). |
We have determined that a Valid Target is any subject within LoS at the time of casting. Right? OK.
New scenario, and clarification... just to be sure.
Shadow, Tim, Brown and Shade are outside the door of a breakroom. Shadow kicks door in and Tim rushes in, casting Mass Confusion on goons in the room. Tim, the goons , and the rest of Tim's mates are inside the AoE of the spell. Tim and goons must make resistance test against the spell, but Tim's mates don't (they weren't in Tim's LoS or in the room for that matter). When they enter the room and possibly Tim's LoS they still won't be affected until Tim drops spell and recast with everyone in Tim's LoS.
Am I getting this right?
PS - Muzzaro, what you wrote makes perfect sense, I'll take it.
Kanada Ten
May 25 2006, 02:07 PM
There are two types of Illusion Spells. Directed and Indirect. Directed spells, be they area or single target, affect only targets within LOS at the time of casting. Indirect Illusions create a "sensory generator" on a subject, which then affects all targets that "interact" with the subject area, object or person (or some combination there of).
Mass Confusion is a Directed area spell, thus it only affects targets within LOS and the Area of Effect at the time of casting.
| QUOTE |
| So what you're saying is, when Member #2 steps through the door he wouldn't be affected by the spell because he wasn't in Tim's LoS when he cast Mass Confusion? Even if Tim is sustaining the spell? |
Correct, but even if they pull Squad Leader back behind the door, he is still disoriented.
Casting Silence in this manner would affect all the subjects in the area, however. Same with Shadow (illusion or manipulation versions).
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| QUOTE |
| Am I getting this right? |
Yes.
Kagetenshi
May 25 2006, 02:08 PM
| QUOTE (MitS p51) |
| If an area-effect illusion or manipulation spell is sustained, the affected area may be moved with a Complex Action, as long as it remains within line of sight. Characters who “drop out” of the affected area are no longer affected by the spell; characters who are “enveloped” by the area must make a Spell Resistance Test against the effects of the spell as appropriate. |
~J
Kanada Ten
May 25 2006, 02:10 PM
Yeah, MitS makes a mess of the issue.
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