Synner
Jun 25 2004, 08:57 AM
Euskal Herria
Skarn Ka
Jun 25 2004, 11:01 AM
QUOTE (Synner) |
Euskal Herria |
Free Corsica...
And Greece that-should-have-been-but-isn't ?
sirdoom
Jun 25 2004, 02:04 PM
According to Fanpro's Fantasy Shop newsletter
Shadows over Europe is
"out now" in the US.
"Schatten über Europa"(the German translation) is in the layout process and nearly on its way to the printers.
note: F-Shop information is 3/4-official
shadd4d
Jun 25 2004, 02:07 PM
Hey, Sirdoom.
Oddly enough, it's listed as out of print at Amazon, but having been released on June 1st.
Don
Nikoli
Jun 25 2004, 02:40 PM
Kinda like how the Pentium 4 was "out" and "available" but no store hasd one in stock for 6 months after "release"
Synner
Jun 25 2004, 09:30 PM
Let's just agree that the first person to actually lay their mitts on it posts confirmation here... the timing seems about right though.
Snow_Fox
Jun 25 2004, 09:36 PM
Ok when the main name on the product doesn't know where it is, we have a problem.
I looked at stiggybaby, nothing and they're usually pretty good.
Toa
Jun 25 2004, 10:00 PM
Is there something to the rumor I read that Russia will be covered in Shadows of Asia?
FlakJacket
Jun 25 2004, 11:01 PM
Um... I highly doubt it. Most of Russia, thanks to the Yakutians, is west of the Urals so classed as European. They do have land in the far east like Vladivostok but that got covered in Target: Smuggler Havens so I don't think they'll waste wordcount repeating it. If they ever did a Target: Eastern Europe maybe, but not in the Asia one.
Kanada Ten
Jun 25 2004, 11:32 PM
Flashpoint: Balkans War fever spreads across the Ukraine and beyond as a brutal warlord with corporate ties begins a conquest to unite the Eastern Bloc. Caught between old loyalties and new money, then PCs must subvert the military might of three nations to survive. Can they overcome the rising tide of hatred, or will they become its next victims?
Flashpoint: Balkans takes the characters and players to the world of 2064 throughout Eastern Europe in three dark adventures about loyalty, professionalism, and nuyen. An adventure set for experienced and beginner Shadowrun players.
Coming in 2064.
FlakJacket
Jun 25 2004, 11:46 PM
So expect it late '66 then?
otaku mike
Jun 26 2004, 12:54 AM
QUOTE (FlakJacket) |
Um... I highly doubt it. Most of Russia, thanks to the Yakutians, is west of the Urals so classed as European. They do have land in the far east like Vladivostok but that got covered in Target: Smuggler Havens so I don't think they'll waste wordcount repeating it. If they ever did a Target: Eastern Europe maybe, but not in the Asia one. |
You know, the strict geographical definition of Asia would show Europe as a Euro-centric invention based on nothing else than the "we are better than the rest of the world" idea that was common during renaissance and until WW2.
Even if we accept the idea of Europe as a valid continent, Asia still goes from Turkey to Japan, from Siberia to India, from the east side of the Ural to Irian Jaya's end of Indonesia, From Arabian to Kamchatka peninsula (err, Kamchatka
island now
). That's definitively a lot of possible land to cover.
FlakJacket
Jun 26 2004, 01:01 AM
I would have classed Turkey as near-east and the Arabian Peninsular and Iran as the middle east. Anything east of that is asia IMO.
Nath
Jun 26 2004, 01:17 AM
QUOTE (FlakJacket @ Jun 26 2004, 03:01 AM) |
I would have classed Turkey as near-east and the Arabian Peninsular and Iran as the middle east. Anything east of that is asia IMO. |
In the opinion of geographers, Near- and Middle East are parts of Asia.
FlakJacket
Jun 26 2004, 02:31 AM
Ah well, that probably explains why I got such lousy marks for geography.
Skarn Ka
Jun 26 2004, 02:36 AM
QUOTE (otaku mike) |
That's definitively a lot of possible land to cover. |
Oh yeah...
Snow_Fox
Jun 26 2004, 02:39 AM
QUOTE (FlakJacket) |
Ah well, that probably explains why I got such lousy marks for geography. |
Remember the campaign medels for Gulf War 1.0 was the "South West Asia campaign medal"
Synner
Jun 26 2004, 10:58 AM
QUOTE (Snow_Fox @ Jun 25 2004, 09:36 PM) |
Ok when the main name on the product doesn't know where it is, we have a problem. |
Please don't read anything into the comment. The build up to the convention season, at least four other book projects in varying stages of development and regular business can have negative sideeffects on the chain of communication. From what I have heard SoE should be hitting the shelves any day now, and that's enough for me. Since I live in the ass end of Europe I'll probably be the last SR fan to see it on sale anyway.
Domino
Jun 26 2004, 11:13 AM
I bet you can't wait for it to come out; so you can stop answering these where the H is it questions instead of pride for the work you've done and getting it published.
Toa
Jun 26 2004, 02:49 PM
So... is it time for a Shadows of Europe subforum yet?
Kagetenshi
Jun 26 2004, 04:46 PM
QUOTE (Synner) |
Let's just agree that the first person to actually lay their mitts on it posts confirmation here... the timing seems about right though. |
I won an auction for a copy months ago
~J
Synner
Jun 26 2004, 05:10 PM
As some of you will have seen by now (thanks Bull) Shadows of Europe is now available at Origins. It should make its way into stores over the next coupla weeks. I can't wait till we start getting reviews!
Synner
Jun 29 2004, 08:59 AM
Yay, we get our own forum. Now let's see what people really want to know about SoE...
BIG BAD BEESTE
Jun 29 2004, 01:45 PM
Where's the elf porn?
Er, no wait a moment. That was just the April Fools Day stuff over on FanPro's SR homepage wasn't it?
Oh well, open the gates and let the games (and criticism) commence!
(Psst, Synner. You run for the shelters and I'll cover you OK?)
"Ooo, Look! Is that Lofwyr and Maria Mercurial's lovechild over there..."
Quickly receeding hoofsteps...
BIG BAD BEESTE
Jun 29 2004, 02:22 PM
Oh, and just to answer the original question there...
As Synner states its one of the largest chapters in SoE (would have been far bigger but heck, we didn't have the space). Now we tried to cover as much as we could, but realise that the chapter was written as an introduction to the UK for people who have never lived there (IE: American shadowrunners). In this regard it isn't as detailed as the information originally given in the London Sourcebook. Not really surprising when you have to write into an existing history, explain a new country, catch up on over ten years of Sixth world events and how they affected the UK and still manage to squeeze some original new plotlines in there. All whilst bringing over the "feel" of the country to the reader (and mainly to the GM so they can impart that atmosphere to the players).
However, I think we managed it quite nicely considering the wordcount limitations. There was far more written that had to be painfully chopped out (heh, just talk to Synner the Scalpel wielder), and hopefully some of those ideas and paragraphs will manifest in other products. I know that I'll be using them were I can. Take heed all you UK convention goers - you have been forewarned!
PS> I'm not the one to blame about calling football soccer - its so the Americans wouldn't get confused with their nice armoured take-a-break-every-five-seconds version of a real man's sport like Rugby.
Kagetenshi
Jun 29 2004, 03:51 PM
Rugby isn't a sport, it's a bar brawl (probably started over a football match) that someone slapped a few rules on
~J
lspahn72
Jun 29 2004, 05:47 PM
QUOTE (Kagetenshi) |
Rugby isn't a sport, it's a bar brawl (probably started over a football match) that someone slapped a few rules on
~J |
yeah but enjoying violence while intoxicated is universally enjoyed!!!
DarusGrey
Jun 29 2004, 07:51 PM
I bought shadows of europe from the fanpro booth at origins the moment they made it available!.
Do I win the bought first contest?.
Aside from that..its...huge =/. I sadly spent most the con reading through it as opposed to playing games!..sad..so sad.
I don't feel qualified to give much additional feedback other then its good and worth the buy ^^.
Synner
Jun 29 2004, 09:11 PM
Darus, even first impressions would be appreciated at this point.
DarusGrey
Jun 30 2004, 03:03 AM
Not much to say other then I really like it..my only complaint is the first two chapters which seem really bland for some reason(just my opinion).
Rest was exicitng to read and learn about.
(Sorry..Im horrible critquer..just an avid fan..^^)
BIG BAD BEESTE
Jun 30 2004, 01:22 PM
ARGH! Bland he says!
Looks like your a REAL freelancer now huh Synner?
Sepherim
Jun 30 2004, 05:15 PM
First one down! Repeat, first one down! Mayday, mayday... damm, the radio is blown!
Nath
Jun 30 2004, 05:20 PM
I think he already got some critics on his Lofwyr chapter in Dragons of the Sixth World. Me, on the other hand, is first in line with the Eurocorps. And it's in the first chapter (unless he meant 'section' by 'chapter', then it comes third).
Synner
Jun 30 2004, 07:23 PM
QUOTE (BIG BAD BEESTE @ Jun 30 2004, 01:22 PM) |
ARGH! Bland he says! Looks like your a REAL freelancer now huh Synner?
|
Man that particular choice of words smarts.
Honestly though its hard to make the Eurohistory sound any more interesting with cramped wordcount and still fitting in some surprises (and surprises there are). And don't worry NMAth I'm almost sure he meant the NEEC bit. I expect mixed reactions to the NEEC since a lot of people aren't into that kind of political intrigue and some of the subtext.
I'll get
really worried when people tell me the UK, Portugal and the Czech Republic are bland or dull.
Snow_Fox
Jul 1 2004, 02:46 AM
Nothing on Stiggy baby, Amazon said it's sold out.
BIG BAD BEESTE
Jul 1 2004, 12:30 PM
QUOTE (Synner) |
I'll get really worried when people tell me the UK, Portugal and the Czech Republic are bland or dull. |
No worries there Term. We'll have their names....
Yup,
NEVER upset a writer. Especially one who can imortalise your handle in the next sourcebook dealing with nasty horrible Aztechnology-inspired ways to die.
Thank you, thank you kindly for your generous comments and donations.
no. the worst thing a freelancer could do to you would be to quote you, and put Bung's name on it.
BIG BAD BEESTE
Jul 1 2004, 12:35 PM
Always another possiblity. And we haven't even begun to explore the possibilities offered by Jon's Freelancer Crack...
Sepherim
Jul 2 2004, 12:16 AM
Using Jon's Freelancer Crack would be way too mean.
Skarn Ka
Jul 3 2004, 11:18 AM
Nevermind... Posted it in the wrong thread.
Aesir
Jul 5 2004, 10:14 AM
Heh. Reading you developer guys posts is like the real world equivalent of happening upon the "Laughing Man" handle in Shadowland. I feel so silly saying that...
Adhoc
Jul 5 2004, 12:22 PM
It's ok, most of us are ordinary human beings....
The large majority of us are humans...
and for the rest.....
Adhoc
Crimsondude 2.0
Jul 6 2004, 03:30 AM
QUOTE |
Underworld: The refugee of the Dumpshockers.
|
Shouldn't that be "refuge?"
Jason Farlander
Jul 6 2004, 03:55 AM
QUOTE (BIG BAD BEESTE) |
Yup, NEVER upset a writer. Especially one who can imortalise your handle in the next sourcebook dealing with nasty horrible Aztechnology-inspired ways to die. |
Actually, I would love to see my handle in a SR sourcebook, even if the context was my horrible death... that would crack my sh*t up.
So... if getting a writer upset at me is a good way to get my handle in a sourcebook... what's the best way to upset a writer?
Adam
Jul 6 2004, 04:28 AM
We typically appreciate it more if you just buy us drinks.
Crimsondude 2.0
Jul 6 2004, 06:45 AM
QUOTE (Jason Farlander) |
QUOTE (BIG BAD BEESTE @ Jul 1 2004, 07:30 AM) | Yup, NEVER upset a writer. Especially one who can imortalise your handle in the next sourcebook dealing with nasty horrible Aztechnology-inspired ways to die. |
Actually, I would love to see my handle in a SR sourcebook, even if the context was my horrible death... that would crack my sh*t up.
So... if getting a writer upset at me is a good way to get my handle in a sourcebook... what's the best way to upset a writer?
|
How?, indeed.
Misfit Toy
Jul 6 2004, 07:00 AM
I guess I'm in the minority (again), then. I'd hate to see my name in any of the books and roll my eyes every time I see a name from here, one of the lists, or elsewhere in them. Even moreso when its a handle used by the person writing the entry (and almost every time I've seen that, they were the definitive expert on the subject -- oy).
What I get a kick out of is when they come up with a really creative or witty handle for someone and breath some life into it with equally creative or witty commentary by that character. That's what roleplaying is all about. Copying someone's screen name just pales in comparison, especially considering the rather blase and uninspired handles a lot of people (myself included which is one of the reasons I jump so frequently... haven't found one that 'sings' to me yet) come up with online.
Skeptical Clown
Jul 6 2004, 07:17 AM
The vaguely nepotistic way in which Shadowtalk handles are drafted is something that goes back to the very beginning. Not saying that's a good quality though; I agree with Misfit Toy, it's kind of silly.
Misfit Toy, is there any time you're not deathly serious about this game?
Misfit Toy
Jul 7 2004, 09:35 PM
If preferring creative writing over unimaginitive chatter makes me "deathly serious," I suppose not.
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