Greetings Dumpshockers,

Re-reading grenade rules tonight since my players seem to have a fetish for them, I ran across this sentance in CC:

minigrenades in SR can be air-timed through the use of a grenade link. that's what that quote is referencing.

You have to have a SL-II and a rangefinder to air time them.

What's the grenade link? Is that just a synonym for a smartlinked grenade launcher or is it a specific piece of cyberware. I couldn't find it in the MM index.

a grenade link is a part that you add to a grenade launcher to improve performance. the grenade link determines the range to the target and then air times the mini grenades to explode closer to the target. This piece of equipment is in the CC on page 32.

hmm after reading through the description again, it does not state that you need a smart link to use it.

It's in CC, p 32. It requires a rangefinder, but not a smartlink.
[edit] Damn you fast typers!

I knew it was something like that.

Sweet. I love you guys

Quick question on Mini grenades.
Can a minigrenade be alternated between timed and an impact explosive individually like a Hand Grenade can? Is this a selectable option to the Minigrenade while it is chambered?

I suppose if it was smartlinked I can't see why not.

Seeing as shotguns can sport accessories in underbarrel mounts, top mounts, and (apparently, according to BBB) barrel mounts, is there anything stopping a PC from loading a rangefinder+grenadelink and an underbarrel greande launcher onto the combat shotgun of his/her choice? Gives new meaning to the term "boomstick."

Er.. I meant to ask specifically, do Minigrenades have the option of switching between impact and timed as one unit? Or are they a device that is either impact or timed individually?

IN SR3 the answer is fuzzy at best. SR2 had air timed mini grendes sold seperately. Want delayed blast, just buy normal ones. With the GL being a device, you could just rig an on/off switch to get the effect you desire. By the way, do they make UBGL's that don't go off on impact? I thought that was the point because the things have a very small kill radius.

According to the updated M&M and CC, a Rangefinder is a two part accessory for Smartlink 2 only - the cybermod (0.1 Essence and nY2000) and the weapon mod (underbarrel, nY150). Once you have both of these, then you can get the Grenade Link which will enable your minigrenades to go off in your Combat Phase, not one initiative pass later.

As for the RL question, the US DoD is working on something akin, and the FABR project's 20mm multipurpose cannon was also 'air timed' meaning it could program a minigrenade to detonate after travelling a set distance.

alternatively you can use extremely short fuse settings to get a static air burst or set a maximum range for your GL without an actual grenade link. This can be very dangerous though in many situations, as I doubt you could reset the fuses quickly

I like that idea. Gives me some ideas it does }:o)

Having just come to grips with the fact that I have lost all finesse in my life, it's time to break out the CC rules and build that puppy.... and the troll to carry it.

Why's it have to be a troll? My human wolf shaman carries a fully comp'd assault rifle with UBGL and he's only STR 5.

What's wrong with a weapon which is only a little bigger than the MP5 but kicks out 10S with all the fire modes, has twin clips and a UBGL? Makes it so much easier to hide under a long coat if it's shorter, and bullpup is soooo nice I can't imagine not using it for a long arm :o)

Mount an Ares Antioch on the BoomStick Mk I, then another Ares Antioch on the first Ares Antioch, etc, until you have enough Ares Antiochs to have a nice number of all possibly useful grenade types at your disposal. Twelve should be enough.

Depends on what you call an assault rifle though. the M733 is like 2 foot long if you remove the stock, yet it'll kick out as much lead as an M16 or any of the other armalites.

Can you get to Conc 8? I thought the highest for an AR was 6..... and that was dubious.

as long as the price skyrockets i dont have a problem with it
hmm, one could go the way and say that the assault rifle uses a new kind of ammo system to allow for that small size, like say seperate bullet and "!gun powder" (most likely replaced with some sort of gas or something in liquid form).

allso, im not sure i would allow a person to mount a weapon onto a weapon mounted to a weapon, if you understand where im getting at (atleast not without combineing the weight of said weapons).

If you completely remove the stock, except for the bit required by the action for proper functioning, you could probably get the M177/M733 down to 2 feet. With the stock retracted it's 680mm, and it has a 280mm (11") barrel. The H&K HK53 ultrashort carbine is 563mm with the stock retracted, and has a 211mm (8.3") barrel -- at that point you're losing a lot of muzzle velocity, meaning pretty crappy range (and absolutely no fragmentation for the standard 5.56mm FMJ rounds). Recoil becomes ever worse as you lose support as well.

Adding an M203 or other UB GL under either of these will make the weapon basically rectangular with the stock retracted, adding a whole lot to the overall "volume" or size of the weapon. Adding one will make the HK53 about as large as the M177, at least when the stock is extended. Going bull-pup won't help significantly here, since the grenade launcher will stick just as far in front of the weapon.

The H&K MP5 is 490mm long with the stock retracted, and a full 4" shorter with the stock extended. And, without the UB GL, we're talking about 1/4th the fore-end size as with the AR.

I was wrong about the AR concealability. The max is 7 using just the Design Options, 3 base + 2 Barrel Reduction + 2 Bullpup/ImpConc-2.