Full Version: RP advice requested
| QUOTE (Kremlin KOA) |
| You'll find that this will not hace some of the emotional issues of a transgender... Much of the theapy a transgender has to go through has to do ith the inadequicies of the new form... this one wont have these... |
Again, neither does the original form of a transgendered individual in most cases. Doesn't mean they don't often want to change it, sometimes desperately so.
~J
*calmly sips tea*
I love my job.
I love my job.
I really need to stop reading this thread. It keeps inducing fits of me wanting to strangle people.
| QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Sep 27 2004, 04:03 PM) |
| Again, neither does the original form of a transgendered individual in most cases. Doesn't mean they don't often want to change it, sometimes desperately so. ~J |
Lets just say that I believe there to be a physical/chemical/neurostructural basis for all behavior patterns, and that people who differ significantly from the norm in their mental self-perceptions concerning gender or anything else also differ significantly from the norm in physical ways. In fact, I wouldnt be surprised to find that such self perception vary in such a way as to conform to a normal or lognormal distribution, just like just about any other biological trait. I respect the views of others to the contrary, insofar as this is not firmly and rigorously established... yet... but thats where I'm coming from, and thats what I am basing my character's progression on.
I really dont want to get any deeper than this - at least not publically - in that there are just too many toes out there to step on. If you want to discuss this further - if its a topic of interest to you - I would be willing to do so via more private venues. Otherwise I'm going to let that drop here.
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| QUOTE (k1tsune) |
| I really need to stop reading this thread. It keeps inducing fits of me wanting to strangle people. |
this is exactly why I would rather not discuss that aspect of things.
| QUOTE (Jason Farlander) |
| Lets just say that I believe there to be a physical/chemical/neurostructural basis for all behavior patterns, and that people who differ significantly from the norm in their mental self-perceptions concerning gender or anything else also differ significantly from the norm in physical ways. In fact, I wouldnt be surprised to find that such self perception vary in such a way as to conform to a normal or lognormal distribution, just like just about any other biological trait. I respect the views of others to the contrary, insofar as this is not firmly and rigorously established... yet... but thats where I'm coming from, and thats what I am basing my character's progression on. |
Er....you do realize that sounds a little silly, considering there are a few of us at least on Dumpshock who have experienced the wonders of puberty as both sexes now and can give you a very good idea of exactly what the mindset of someone going through the same sorts of changes you're talking about are. Going through puberty the first time didn't do such a hot job of convincing me I was a male, and going through it the second time was considerably more affirming -- the mind tells the body it doesn't match, generally, not the other way around.
No, no... its not silly. And the two situations are not analogous. And I dont want to discuss it. I dont want to speculate publically about your specific case or anyone else's, and since I feel constrained in my ability to make my case effectively, I would rather not continue trying to justify myself while also tiptoeing around other people's feelings on the matter.
I appreciate your input as someone who does have a better direct, experiential sense of this sort of thing than anyone I know personally, but at the same time your arguments have failed to sway me. This is not to say that your points are invalid, rather, they fail to address several relevant and important issues. I respect that your opinion differs, and would be very happy if we could leave it at that.
I appreciate your input as someone who does have a better direct, experiential sense of this sort of thing than anyone I know personally, but at the same time your arguments have failed to sway me. This is not to say that your points are invalid, rather, they fail to address several relevant and important issues. I respect that your opinion differs, and would be very happy if we could leave it at that.
Jason obviously has a high Will stat and the Common Sense edge : )
Dude. He's posting on Dumpshock. I think that invalidates the Common Sense edge for anyone here.
~J
~J
Yeah, well, unless some of us hear voices in their heads telling them when theyre about do do something foolish, I doubt any of us have the Common Sense edge.
...and those that claim to have it, well, lets just say those are people I would like to avoid (again, a tinfoil smiley would be a nice thing to have).
As for my stats, lets just say that I have the "Will to Live" edge...
...and those that claim to have it, well, lets just say those are people I would like to avoid (again, a tinfoil smiley would be a nice thing to have).
As for my stats, lets just say that I have the "Will to Live" edge...
Heh, I don't have little voices in my head telling me I'm about to do something stupid, I get the whole clouds parting, rays of light, and burning bush. That can't all be in my head, can it? 
hey leave the voice in my head alone, he gets cranky when people make fun of him
I can hear the celestial GM laughing at me...
There's a book by Heinlein that deals with a similar situation, called I Will Fear No Evil. It's kind of similar to the situation that your character is in, in that the character has a sex change, but it is also an improvement... he goes from an old man on life support to a young woman.
On the flip side, if you want to see a version of someone who doesn't let being transgendered (after a fashion) really affect him that much, read Ranma 1/2.
To me, your character is the opposite of someone who gets a sex-change operation. In their case, they are changing to what they consider their "true" gender, while your character is changing to what he considers the "opposite" gender. In a way, he is more like a before-operation transgendered person. Despite being hormonally "female", I don't see him changing his self-image as much - some males might, but that seems a bit out of character for how you have described your character - arrogant, uptight, etc. Hormonal changes can affect emotions, but they don't really erode self-image.
On the flip side, if you want to see a version of someone who doesn't let being transgendered (after a fashion) really affect him that much, read Ranma 1/2.
To me, your character is the opposite of someone who gets a sex-change operation. In their case, they are changing to what they consider their "true" gender, while your character is changing to what he considers the "opposite" gender. In a way, he is more like a before-operation transgendered person. Despite being hormonally "female", I don't see him changing his self-image as much - some males might, but that seems a bit out of character for how you have described your character - arrogant, uptight, etc. Hormonal changes can affect emotions, but they don't really erode self-image.
| QUOTE (Glyph) |
| To me, your character is the opposite of someone who gets a sex-change operation. In their case, they are changing to what they consider their "true" gender, while your character is changing to what he considers the "opposite" gender. In a way, he is more like a before-operation transgendered person. Despite being hormonally "female", I don't see him changing his self-image as much - some males might, but that seems a bit out of character for how you have described your character - arrogant, uptight, etc. Hormonal changes can affect emotions, but they don't really erode self-image. |
Yeah. That's what I was trying to say. Thanks for putting it into better words.
You guys really seem to be trying to taunt me into continuing to discuss this, but I'm not gonna do it.
Rolling Willpower:
2, 3, 2, 5, 11
Sweet!
Rolling Willpower:
2, 3, 2, 5, 11
Sweet!
| QUOTE (Kagetenshi) |
| Again, neither does the original form of a transgendered individual in most cases. Doesn't mean they don't often want to change it, sometimes desperately so. ~J |
I'm talking about the post change form... some bodily functions are not reproducable using current tech and thus prosthetic measures are required.... don't make me go into any more detail, please.
I fully realize that. I'm just saying that that's not a reason for this individual to adjust to his situation any better.
~J
~J
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