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BewilderedGM
In my game minigrenades, explode on impact. But thrown grenades doesnt untill the throwers next ini phase.

My players are beginning to have problems with the npc's starting to throw the nades back at them now. Obviously they wanna work around that by timing it so that doesnt happen.
Any suggestions on that?
(I make the npc-s make a Quickness [8] test to grab the nade to return to sender)
RedmondLarry
A fast samurai can Delay Action till late in an initiative pass, and then throw the grenade. It'll go off on his action (early, because he's fast) of the next pass. The opponents will have less time to toss it back unless they too have Delayed Action.

A slow character can Delay Action till the last initiative pass. It'll detonate at the end of the Combat Turn.

If you want, you can let your players figure these out. They'll be proud of themselves when they do.
Crusher Bob
Get a BF capable GL that fires air timed grenades and lay some real smackdown.
Fortune
There's no reason thrown grenades (or any other type) would not have a variable timer, as well as a switch to choose between timed and impact detonation. If not as standard, surely some company (read Ares) would develop such tech for their own use, if not for general consumption.
Dakhran the Dark
Actually, Cannon Companion already has rules for picking up a bouncing thrown grenade, on pg. 107. It's Quickness ( 8 ) for mini-grenades, Quickness ( 6 ) for standard sized grenades. If the fool...err, brave soul attempting it fails to get a success, they're at Ground Zero. If they get it, they still have to throw it...

It also says that grenades detonate on the character's next Initiative Pass, not at the end of turn. My crew has taken to throwing grenades on their second-to-last pass, hoping that the enemy has run out of passes...although anyone can still move (walk or run) on any Initiative Pass, so they may only just flush them out of cover. Still, that's not entirely disappointing... smile.gif
Zeel De Mort
For damaging grenades we seem to almost exclusively use air-timed minigrenades. Regular ones just allow people too much time to move out of the way or throw them back, and it's more often at the start of a combat turn you want to lay them out rather than at the end. BF air-timed minigrenade launchers akimbo is just too much destructive power to be missing out on. However, if you are using regular ones..

As well as setting them to detonate on impact or running the timer down first, a few other tricks you could try are:

Throw an IR smoke grenade at the same time or just before. If they can't find the grenade they can't throw it back!

When you're already being stealthy, particularly in dark areas, it might occasionally be worth casting Stealth on the grenade and then throwing it among your targets. Then they won't hear it bouncing around until it's too late.

Throw a WHOLE bunch of grenades at once, Fulltime Killer stylee. Either have all of them primed when you do, or just one. smile.gif

Attach them securly to something big and heavy, like a metahuman body, then prime and drop it on your victims.
Backgammon
Grenades can be set to explode on impact. BBB p.282

Just don't drop them when they're primed!
BewilderedGM
BBB ?
Zeel De Mort
Big Black Book. It's what some people call the main rulebook for Shadowrun.
BewilderedGM
oh... <----n00b
Fygg Nuuton
slightly off-topic. where does the term 'nades come from? for some reason it always annoys me, but for no good reason.

thrown grenades can be timed, radio detonated or explode on impact, by the BBB as far as i know
FlakJacket
Grenades. If you mean who was the person that shortened the name, I haven't got a clue.
Shadow
QUOTE (Fygg Nuuton)
slightly off-topic. where does the term 'nades come from? for some reason it always annoys me, but for no good reason.

thrown grenades can be timed, radio detonated or explode on impact, by the BBB as far as i know

I hear you Fygg, it annoys the crap out of me. I first heard the term in use on BF1942 and it annoys me more and more. It is a grenade. Not a nade.

Set them to detonate on impact, problem solved.
Dissonance
QUOTE
Set them to detonate on impact, problem solved.


It's a good idea, sure. Unless you get shot and have to make a knockdown test. Ouch.

Of course, you could set it just before you throw it, but that'd take another action, I reckon.
mfb
unless you're running around with a primed grenade in your hand, that's pretty unlikely.
Voran
Sorta related to the topic, does anyone have rules for rolling a grenade as opposed to throwing one? Or how one handles other setups like chucking a grenade backhand around a doorframe, or dunking it into a window, for example?
Fortune
Technically, for a little extra nuyen, grenades should be available that will prime/alter settings via the Smartlink Induction Pad. This is not to say that any sort of bonus to the to-hit TN would be granted (a case can be mad both for and against this), but the technological knowhow would be available for this to be done relatively cheaply.
Fortune
QUOTE (Voran)
Sorta related to the topic, does anyone have rules for rolling a grenade as opposed to throwing one?  Or how one handles other setups like chucking a grenade backhand around a doorframe, or dunking it into a window, for example?

To answer your question, I would think that all of that is already incorporated into the Throwing roll itself. Grenades invariably bounce around anyway (unless set to explode on impact/air-burst nyahnyah.gif), which is what the system is meant to reflect in the first place, so I don't think any further complications need to be put on the actual mechanics.

That being said, if Joe Bob was trying to throw a grenade through a six-inch hole in the flyscreen on the window of a house 25 meters away while lying prone in a ditch with heavy automobile traffic flowing between him and his target, all bets are off and I'll be sure to add a few small modifiers. wink.gif
toturi
That's when Complementary Skill: Baseball(Pitching) comes in real useful
mfb
i usually allow people to toss grenades less than a meter with no roll, by using the 'drop object' free action.
Kagetenshi
QUOTE (Shadow)
I hear you Fygg, it annoys the crap out of me. I first heard the term in use on BF1942 and it annoys me more and more. It is a grenade. Not a nade.

I'm not much of a fan, but grenade is one syllable too long and gren just doesn't sound right.

~J
Austere Emancipator
Then use "frag" for fragmenting handgrenades.

Unless "nade" is actually in common use in the military. I guess it's pretty much their right to choose the monosyllabic nickname for grenades.
Voran
True enough. Heh, though on some level, I start thinking, "Just how lazy have we gotten with language anyway?" At what point do you go, "Yknow what? Its way too long for me to say 'grenade'. How about we just call it a nade?"
Crusher Bob
Horseless carraige, automobile carraige, automobile, auto, motor car, car...
Fygg Nuuton
"ya know dave, I am just to damn lazy to spell "at". I wish someone would just shorten it man. Does nobody care about my plight!"

what about some texan that needs one

"jim bob I nade a 'nade"

on topic again, i'd allow smartlinking the timer and the like, for a small fee.

what about them aerodynamic grenades. they have those IRL?
Austere Emancipator
QUOTE (Fygg Nuuton)
what about them aerodynamic grenades. they have those IRL?

Nope, absolutely not.
Fygg Nuuton
well, there goes my plan to end the tyranny of frisbee players
Kagetenshi
QUOTE (Crusher Bob @ Oct 3 2004, 05:25 AM)
Horseless carraige, automobile carraige, automobile, auto, motor car, car...

Taximeter cabriolet, taxi cab, taxi.

Old Kinderhook, Ok.

United States of America, America, US.

United Kingdom, England, UK.

Which gets used more?

~J
Luke Hardison
QUOTE (Fygg Nuuton)
well, there goes my plan to end the tyranny of frisbee players

Line the inside rim of a frisbee with as many heavy marbles as you can fit. Cover that line with a thin rim of plastic explosive, distributing the weight as evenly as possible. Rig a detonator and balance it as well as you can. Now THAT's a fun day at the park ....
John Campbell
QUOTE (Crusher Bob)
Horseless carraige, automobile carraige, automobile, auto, motor car, car...

The word "car" long predates the horseless carriage. "Carre" was present in Middle English, with pretty much the modern meaning, except that a carre in Chaucer's time was unlikely to be motorized. It's not a shortening of "carriage"... "carre" derived directly from Latin "carra".

''Nades" annoys me because I keep reading it as "'nads", and I really don't want to think about using those as thrown weapons.
Bane
Don't forget about the hair removal product that goes by the same name.
Wounded Ronin
If a mk67 explodes near your head, I think you'll lose some hair.....
Crusher Bob
Nuts don't explode...
Voran
QUOTE (Fygg Nuuton)
well, there goes my plan to end the tyranny of frisbee players

Make a hell of a "frolf" game tho.
Crusher Bob
Note that the 'stick' type grenades can be thrown much farther than the 'baseball' type grenades. So you might want to count them as aerodynamic grenades...
Austere Emancipator
I was going to mentiong Panzerwürfmine and similar throwing explosives which fly head-first, but decided against it since SR Aerodynamic Grenades are always Frisbees of Doom.
Botch
QUOTE (Kagetenshi)
...
United Kingdom, England, UK.
...

~J

I wouldn't advise shortening United Kingdom to England if you happen to be in Great Britain.
Kagetenshi
Eep, you're right. Sorry embarrassed.gif

~J
mfb
oddly, i've always envisioned aerodynamic grenades as explosive lawn darts.
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