Girls may be perceived as timid and all by some people but you cross them after they've trusted you for any reason they might have had to do so and they will want to see your eyes roll back in your head after listening to your screams fill with blood.

I have never raped a female or male charecter, but once had a female charecter pin me, cut off my package, and then get me to the hosbital just so she could be sure i lived with out it...I think she was offended when I told her she needed more make up because the natrual look was just not working for her.

I agree rape can be a part of the story element, however committing it against another character, just not a good idea. If the women player has been assaulted, your stirring up a whole world of hurt for her, hurt that doesn't need to be made in a game that's played for fun.
If the girl hasn't, beleive me, it is a fear for her, as it is for every woman, and bringing fears in is going to be counter productive to the point of the game, which is again, to have fun.

That being said, women who do play shouldn't be cutting off your member, etc. They, as well as the teenage men ( and older men) obviously need to be educated in what is appropriate.

An example from my second run: The one male player was being a dick and kept making sexual innuendos to my characterl, constantly. At this point in time I had not yet learned to ignore him. So I decided to teach him a lesson. I first thought about smacking him in the groin with my shock glove, but found out this could do real harm to his character, so I hit him in the inner thigh instead. Painful, but not mutilating.

Perhaps, if you feel it necessary to describe the grit of the story, have the character get groped, and give her a chance to react to it. This is much lower key, and most women can put this into the correct the perspective, though honestly, just having it happen to an npc would be best.

Ok, one more somewhat off topic comment.
My opinion on why you don't hear about men being raped is men are less likely to report it, and less likely to be believed. Men are not supposed to be victoms (according to what I've observed), and if you are raped, don't tell anyone. Please, if I'm off on this, correct me.

Well, Lenice that's part of it to be sure. There is also the opinion among the more vocal members of the "Feminist group" which is in truth a very fractured concept with many subtleties etc. that puts forward the idea inthe media and such that men are never victems in the same sense of the word as women, ever. If a woman says she has been raped, she is protected, sheltered and given every possible benefit of the doubt usually without investigation of the accused in a non public format (take the recent Kobe Bryant case) where if a man is raped, it is often said he deserved it. The truly perverse thing about this attitude and 'policy' is that this attitude towards men as victems is sadly how women were once seen when victemized.

But to reign this in to an RPG stand point, if a GM wants to use something as gritty as rape in a plot line and have it directly happen to a female PC (regardless of the gender of the player) they should speak with the player beforehand and find out how much detail is enough, let them know the reasons behind it, reassure them it's not an attack on them personally and make sure that they and the other PC's have a way to prevent it, all that stuff, if they are uncomfortable with it, then do not do it. It's that simple. A little fudging of realism for the sake of everyone's fun can go a long way towards a better gaming experience.

To get back on topic...

This is based EXCLUSIVELY off of my own personal experience, and is in NO WAY indicative of the race of women on the whole.

In my experience, women seem to have the advantage of not suffering from the '13 year old psycho' problem that afflicts so many of us males (you know what I'm talking about, when you played from the ages of 13 until 16 as street sams and uber powerful mages exclusively, and the best missions involved lots of explosives). The females I've played with are hesitant to engage in violence, both because they realize its usually not the best method, and more importantly, because they simply don't enjoy playing that out. Generally they avoid anything thats mechanics heavy IN MY EXPERIENCE. This forced them to be better ROLEplayers, in that they socialized and dealt with problems creatively...

HOWEVER, they tended not to deal well with the world in general. They usually wouldn't do the background research on what did what why, they didn't care about learning how electronic items worked, even if that was their specialty, and a lot of the nitty gritty details were wasted upon them. My wife is an exception to this, but thats partially because I tricked her into reading stuff (she didn't care to learn the names of important people, so I started reading her shadowrun novels as bedtime stories). This is fine and good in a game that relies heavily on the real world, or on a fantasy world everyone knows, but when you get into specialized situations, it could cause problems (as the electronics specialist stood outside the locked door, staring at the electronic keypad and scratching her head).

So far my best players have all been male, however my worst players have been as well.

Last time I saw a legal definition of rape, by definition, a man could never be the victim. It would have to be prosecuted as the highest level of sexual assault short of rape. This was however some time ago so things may be different now. I looked it up after noticing a newspaper article listing reports and convictions for sexual assaults on men and women listing that no male had ever reported being the victim of a rape (I forget wether it was Australia or just WA)

Personally I try to avoid any sexual or romantic involvement with another PC in any RPG. If played properly most romances end and many end badly often with the participants not wanting to work together again. While the romance is ongoing there is a tendency to protect your loved one witch got me in quite a lot of trouble OOC with one game (I knew that was a no win situation the moment the female players female character cracked on to me).

Edward

In Ireland, at least as of 2001, if a 16-year-old girl has sex with an 8-year-old boy, the boy is technically guilty of statutory rape punishable by five years in prison. Keep the boy the same age and kick the girl down to 14 and the maximum penalty is life in prison. Furthermore, the definition of rape is sexual intercourse by a man with a woman who does not consent to it.

The fucked-up nature of many sexual assault laws is a disturbingly little-known topic.

~J

since I am female I've never played in a game without one(me) but ZI think we keep the players a little better focused, or at least their manners stay out of the toilet..

Man I so wish that was the case. In over 20 years of gaming I have yet to see the inclusion of women players significantly alter the behavior of many male players. People who play in the gutter tend to do so regardless of wether or not women, old ladies, small children, clergy or the general public at large is in ear shot. I try to keep it at a minimum with people I don't know well but that goes if said new player is male or female.

OK, reading the tread from last night has propted this response.

First, the idea of Men getting raped. Now i don't care what your definition of the word is. A person who is willing to rape another man is not a man (or even human). He is a weak pathetic person who can not confront his own life or others. When you look at a court case of rape the women who is raped has been watched for some time (normally) and is alone or just with one child. The rapist covers his face and most of the time theres as well. Uses threats and over powers them. With this in mind. A man would not be the victim of rape by another man because the rapist could not confront the man.

This excludes prison of course (there are no women to rape...)

As for a man being raped by a women...I just don't see it happening. Maybe, but really, we would have to go along with it at some point. LOL.

Oh good lord. First Bush actually wins an election, and now I see posts like this. There is no hope for the future.

Bull.

~J

Gaiaswrath I speak from personal experience when I say you have no idea what you are talking about. remember no matter how strong you are EVERYBODY sleeps

Gaiaswrath, you have hurdled to extreme new levels of insensitivity.

Thank you. Glad I could bring some sunshine into your life.

Sorry if you disagree. The truth it, this is not the time or place for this type of conversation. This is a gaming post. And yes I posted my opion on this board because other people were doing the same.

Sorry if you were offending, but I feel rapist are dirty low little people and if a MAN put him self in the position to be raped by another man or women you got more issues than the rape itself.

And since you all disagree with my veiw of a rapist maybe you could tell me who has delt with them before? I have helped the police put three of them in jail. One I knew, one I caught in a club I was working for, and one who did it to my best female friend. I know what these weak little people are like, do you?

That is all I will say on this matter as I am sure it will just continue to be a downward spiral of unpset and anger.

Wow. You honestly think it's your view on the rapist that people are having a problem with? Good frelling God, man.

You people are sheep, take some responcability for your condition. A Man being raped is a lot difrent from a women being raped despite your personal emotional veiw point. I never said anything about a women puting herself in that posion. I said a man putting himself there is sad. If you are weak and pathetic enough to get raped as a MAN then I have no pity for. I will not walk on egg shells for you. I'm done with this post, by.

Wow.
Just.....wow.