You guys are talking over my head for the most part (I've never played a rigger and don't own R3) but I assumed that we'd need a lightly armored, fast boat. Something that blends in and has a good radio jammer. The Ford Americar of the seas, as it were.
We're pirates, right? We don't want to engage in any sort of serious ship to ship combat, right? It seems like just a present day Coast Guard Cutter (especially with air support) would *seriously* ruin (read: "end") our day.
I thought we'd be mostly feigning distress to draw in commerical ships and then overpowering the crew or catching "fat cat" yatchs and over powering the crew.
I also figured that we'd be doing a little smuggling.
Mebbe I'm wrong. You guys are the specialists...
Edit: Sphynx, unless I missed something (which is entirely possible) I'm kicking in close to 200k. Not 157K.
Full Version: OOC: YARR!
Tarantula, I know about Naval Damage (even described it a bit up above), was talking about normal damage. 
Also, that space is not quite used. Look up any other yacht with the same "freebies". 12 rooms + 3 baths + 6 crew locations + Captains quarter with private bath, galley. That's 10 living ameneties. Using it as: 6 rooms + 3 baths (or 1 open 4-man shower etc) + SickBay is well within the "living ameneties".
Everyone. Total came to under 584k, of which I covered 540k. I think you have about 6 hours to spend that extra cash you donated. We're the fastest ship on the waters, slightly armoured, and as camouflagable as possible. I didn't worry about ECCM or ECM since nobody seemed to think we'd need it.
Sphynx
Also, that space is not quite used. Look up any other yacht with the same "freebies". 12 rooms + 3 baths + 6 crew locations + Captains quarter with private bath, galley. That's 10 living ameneties. Using it as: 6 rooms + 3 baths (or 1 open 4-man shower etc) + SickBay is well within the "living ameneties".
Everyone. Total came to under 584k, of which I covered 540k. I think you have about 6 hours to spend that extra cash you donated. We're the fastest ship on the waters, slightly armoured, and as camouflagable as possible. I didn't worry about ECCM or ECM since nobody seemed to think we'd need it.
Sphynx
Sphynx, the 10 amenities use up ALL the CF and LOAD that it has extra listed in the chassis/power plant tables. If you wanted to use up a few of those (6 cf and 150 load an amenity) you could, but it would reduce the number of people we could keep onboard.
Kinda what I did. Rating 4 = 2 people. (300 Load and 8 CF, I used 12) I also added alot of MedKits to the sickbay area. Basically we could fit 8 people in High style right now, in addition to the sickbay, and we have 6 in Middle. Plenty of Amenetie room to spare. 
Sphynx
Sphynx
I think where all the confusion entered was the listing in R3 p 120 is for a 'facility,' whereas what I was looking at in M&M p 139 was a 'shop,' Hence smaller and cheaper. Heck, it's even got a back story now. One heist we pulled involved a stolen ambulance, a corp hospital, and a supply room filled with highly marketable drugs that was pulled off so well, we didn't even have to leave port before lying low. In the downtime, Corinna realized that before the ambulance was deep sixed, she should take advantage of all the perfectly good gear in it. She had you help her strip it down, and install it in her previously quite unimpressive sickbay.
Final boat notes: I haven't seen the complete boat stats, but do we have any Electroinc Decption (R3 p144) installed on the boat? It's pretty light on the CF, and I'd imagine rather important for a sneaky pirate craft.
Also, if we're going to be doing cargo, having a crane of some rating might help.
Now, I'm off to do my contacts.
Final boat notes: I haven't seen the complete boat stats, but do we have any Electroinc Decption (R3 p144) installed on the boat? It's pretty light on the CF, and I'd imagine rather important for a sneaky pirate craft.
Also, if we're going to be doing cargo, having a crane of some rating might help.
Now, I'm off to do my contacts.
Updated Ship Stats are the 5th post of this thread. 
ED: Nope, that wasn't added in, but personally I don't think we should. ED is important in a traffic situation, but not really on open waters, no? Not like we'll be avoiding traffic.... I'm sure we can fit it in if others agree we should have it, but seems pointless right now. Sneaky is having a high signature (TN 6 right now to notice us), which is another reason for Electric engine.
Sphynx
ED: Nope, that wasn't added in, but personally I don't think we should. ED is important in a traffic situation, but not really on open waters, no? Not like we'll be avoiding traffic.... I'm sure we can fit it in if others agree we should have it, but seems pointless right now. Sneaky is having a high signature (TN 6 right now to notice us), which is another reason for Electric engine.
Sphynx
Aha, now I see the stats in all their glory. I suggested ED, because it's light on the CF and I figure that some people are going to be after us at some point. Each level we have raises the successes they need to ID by +1 and unlike ECM, it's passive. Whoever's on the other end of that scope isn't going to know they've been fooled. Also, I'm projecting my own mental image of SR pirating here, but I see us spending a lot of time closer to shore, since even if we raid on the open water (it'll be useful there too, if we're sneaking up on a boat, whoever is watching their sensors sees... uh... a couple of whales humping on his scopes instead of us) we have to go somewhere to sell the stuff off.
Signature 6 is good, but if we can afford to push that a little higher... (Corinna has spent enough time fixing people who've been shot at, that she wants to avoid the possibility as much as... er... possible).
I've kept mentioning cranes just because I imagine loading pallets of stuff in and out of the hold. On a tangent, do we have any sub-craft? Water scooters, or a skiff, or anything? As much as I hate referencing water world, having highly mobile ancillary craft is a very good idea. It's not always smart to pull up broadside on the open water.
Signature 6 is good, but if we can afford to push that a little higher... (Corinna has spent enough time fixing people who've been shot at, that she wants to avoid the possibility as much as... er... possible).
I've kept mentioning cranes just because I imagine loading pallets of stuff in and out of the hold. On a tangent, do we have any sub-craft? Water scooters, or a skiff, or anything? As much as I hate referencing water world, having highly mobile ancillary craft is a very good idea. It's not always smart to pull up broadside on the open water.
SubCrafts ahve to be outta your own pockets I think. RangerJoe only gave me permission to make a Yacht.... Not sure we could store any sub-craft though, and I think they'd slow us down if we dragged them in the water. I say if we want scooters and such, we just go steal them at some point, maybe setup a pirate's cove on some deserted island and keep'em, etc. (I like the idea of stealing). ED is addable, I don't object, I'll modify the ship accordingly. I think a rating 4 is the highest Availabilty we can afford, I'll double check. Higher signature is impossible, next level up is about half a mil.
Sphynx
Sphynx
Ok, added rating 3 ED (Highest available) and a Rating 6 Power Amp to push the range of it.
I meant that ED gave us a higher 'virtual signature' as far as sensor tests were concerned. I think that means thats any sensors trying to ID have to get at least 9 successes. Not bad, not bad at all.
It was as I was making my final purchases that I realized we had no smaller craft. Basic waterscooters are pretty cheap, and the gas powered ones have a decent speed. I suppose in general we can all just jump in the water and swim to shore if we moor at a location without a docks, or a jetty, but it just seems... slightly undifgnified.
My finalized character sheet is posted here:
It was as I was making my final purchases that I realized we had no smaller craft. Basic waterscooters are pretty cheap, and the gas powered ones have a decent speed. I suppose in general we can all just jump in the water and swim to shore if we moor at a location without a docks, or a jetty, but it just seems... slightly undifgnified.
My finalized character sheet is posted here:
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Ok, Ship completed RangerJoe. I won't be adding anything else to it, ending the total cost at around 620k for the yacht.
Other Comments:
I think we should run in the Florida Keys throughout the Gulf of Mexico (or Gulf of Aztlan perhaps...).
IDEA FOR BACKGROUND OF THE TEAM: What started out as a bad party (or a good party if you're like us...) ended up with a group of friends playing pirate, and not knowing when to stop playing. Originally raiding docked ships for beer and party supplies became raiding yachts on the water for their party supplies, etc, etc. Life is a party, sometimes you raid, other times you're just dead drunk. More recently though, raiding has become a bit more like smuggling. Friends from various parties (not everyone we raided actually minded that there were party crashers to party with), became buddies who also smuggled (or maybe were just part of someone in Aztlan or something) that needed stuff, and it was a way to make some easy cash for more important non-party stuff. Only very recently have we decided that we're doing this as a profession, realizing that our lives on the shores have pretty much disappeared into history. How Sven became captain? His boat... He was the one throwing the party some 2 years ago that started this whole little waste of a life. We still all take care of the boat, and have added more than 1 mods to it to get us through things, mostly ripped from the less-than-friendly people who we tend to raid. However, the team has 1 rule that they either live by, or go swimming their way back to land for. We do NOT kill, maim or torture. We're not homocidal psychotics, if we were, we'd run shadows instead. This is fun, and most raids go well enough that not only has there been no need for violence and guns, but most people don't even know they were raided, after all, the party was good, and things get broken or go missing. That's life. The few times we've used violence was when getting supplies for Aztlan rebels. Even then, most of that was done on land, and nobody was ever hurt. That's why we're still going strong. Haven't pissed anyone off enough to be treated like a real threat.
Other Comments:
I think we should run in the Florida Keys throughout the Gulf of Mexico (or Gulf of Aztlan perhaps...).
IDEA FOR BACKGROUND OF THE TEAM: What started out as a bad party (or a good party if you're like us...) ended up with a group of friends playing pirate, and not knowing when to stop playing. Originally raiding docked ships for beer and party supplies became raiding yachts on the water for their party supplies, etc, etc. Life is a party, sometimes you raid, other times you're just dead drunk. More recently though, raiding has become a bit more like smuggling. Friends from various parties (not everyone we raided actually minded that there were party crashers to party with), became buddies who also smuggled (or maybe were just part of someone in Aztlan or something) that needed stuff, and it was a way to make some easy cash for more important non-party stuff. Only very recently have we decided that we're doing this as a profession, realizing that our lives on the shores have pretty much disappeared into history. How Sven became captain? His boat... He was the one throwing the party some 2 years ago that started this whole little waste of a life. We still all take care of the boat, and have added more than 1 mods to it to get us through things, mostly ripped from the less-than-friendly people who we tend to raid. However, the team has 1 rule that they either live by, or go swimming their way back to land for. We do NOT kill, maim or torture. We're not homocidal psychotics, if we were, we'd run shadows instead
. This is fun, and most raids go well enough that not only has there been no need for violence and guns, but most people don't even know they were raided, after all, the party was good, and things get broken or go missing. That's life. The few times we've used violence was when getting supplies for Aztlan rebels. Even then, most of that was done on land, and nobody was ever hurt. That's why we're still going strong. Haven't pissed anyone off enough to be treated like a real threat.
Just a note, I DID purchase a sea sled to help with retrival of sunken treasure, it is rigger adapted and has a water carbine on a firmpoint.
I'll post my finished char sheet in this post late today, I think I forgot to buy myself boosted reflexes... so I might have to pull my contribution out from the yacht (not that it seems we really needed it).
I'll post my finished char sheet in this post late today, I think I forgot to buy myself boosted reflexes... so I might have to pull my contribution out from the yacht (not that it seems we really needed it).
Comments on party pirates?
Yarr. If we settle the background, I can open the IC thread this afternoon.
Nice job on the boat!
YARR!!
Yarr. If we settle the background, I can open the IC thread this afternoon.
Nice job on the boat!
YARR!!
Corinna joined up a little later than some of the rest of the crew. The whole 'Pirates of Party Point' gig was going really well for you guys. It was fun, it was reasonably exciting without putting your lives in any real danger, good times. Then, during one of your big bashes, some genuine, bona fide, cut your throat and swing from your rigging pirates crashed your party. These guys were hard core. They were just there to have fun, having heard that 'Party Point' was the place to go for a good time, but you could just feel the bad mojo rolling off of them, even as you edgily laughed at their jokes.
The guys following them made it even worse. Suddenly, there were actual bullets flying, most coming from one boat with a fragging _huge_ gun plus a lot of other smaller ones. Everyone booked out of there post haste, because this was _not_ the kind of drek any of you had signed up to deal with.
It was when you were way out to sea that you realized you'd picked up a stowaway. There was a hot elf hiding under Sven's bunk. It was just like that one sim... Well, the similarities to _that_ script ended right there (yeah, and she wasn't really that hot either). She'd been part of the hard core crew, and when the lead had started flying, she'd taken advantage of the confusion, and the plethora of other boats around, to book it. Turns out her old crew had been hard core; a little too hard core for any sane meta to stay on with.
A couple of your crew had been unlucky enough to get in the way of bullets back at the Point, and Corinna quickly proved her worth, putting them back together again as good as new. Her request was pretty simple. Let her stay on, and she'd pull her weight as a doctor. It turned out to be a pretty good deal. When you had a mage with a good Detoxify spell handy, really, the party never had to stop.
It wasn't hard to figure out what life was like amongst the crew she'd come from. She rarely ever seemed to sleep, and when she did she stop to rest, she always kept one eye open. However, just the radically different atmosphere on your boat quickly brought about a change in her. It was such a change, no longer having to live and breathe paranoia and wariness. She decided to stay on, and it's a choice that she hasn't regretted.
The guys following them made it even worse. Suddenly, there were actual bullets flying, most coming from one boat with a fragging _huge_ gun plus a lot of other smaller ones. Everyone booked out of there post haste, because this was _not_ the kind of drek any of you had signed up to deal with.
It was when you were way out to sea that you realized you'd picked up a stowaway. There was a hot elf hiding under Sven's bunk. It was just like that one sim... Well, the similarities to _that_ script ended right there (yeah, and she wasn't really that hot either). She'd been part of the hard core crew, and when the lead had started flying, she'd taken advantage of the confusion, and the plethora of other boats around, to book it. Turns out her old crew had been hard core; a little too hard core for any sane meta to stay on with.
A couple of your crew had been unlucky enough to get in the way of bullets back at the Point, and Corinna quickly proved her worth, putting them back together again as good as new. Her request was pretty simple. Let her stay on, and she'd pull her weight as a doctor. It turned out to be a pretty good deal. When you had a mage with a good Detoxify spell handy, really, the party never had to stop.
It wasn't hard to figure out what life was like amongst the crew she'd come from. She rarely ever seemed to sleep, and when she did she stop to rest, she always kept one eye open. However, just the radically different atmosphere on your boat quickly brought about a change in her. It was such a change, no longer having to live and breathe paranoia and wariness. She decided to stay on, and it's a choice that she hasn't regretted.
Could I get you to change 2 of those pintle mounts to a ring mount? I just noticed that I have a MMG, which needs a hardpoint style mount.
And LOVE the concept. Fits rodger like a glove.
And LOVE the concept. Fits rodger like a glove.
You'll have to ask RangerJoe about ship changes. I promised no more changes from me.
RangerJoe, could you put the ship data in your IC thread (maybe hidden in a spoiler) or somewhere else that's easily findable? Or maybe make a [CHAR] thread like that really really cool/hip GM did for the Earth's Dawn game....
Sphynx
RangerJoe, could you put the ship data in your IC thread (maybe hidden in a spoiler) or somewhere else that's easily findable? Or maybe make a [CHAR] thread like that really really cool/hip GM did for the Earth's Dawn game....
Sphynx
No biggie.
Also, as we have money left over, I have a bit of a Frankenstein’s Monster of a jetski. Must be a left over from the REAL pirates...
Still added 100k+ to the yacht though.
Also, as we have money left over, I have a bit of a Frankenstein’s Monster of a jetski. Must be a left over from the REAL pirates...
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Still added 100k+ to the yacht though.
Where you guys putting these skis? No room in the yacht, we're too fast to pull them... You putting them on-deck or something? If so, how you puttin them in the water?
erhhhh..... Arrr? Goood question...
What does that mean my Suzuki water scooter's stuck high and dry???
| QUOTE (Sphynx) |
| Where you guys putting these skis? No room in the yacht, we're too fast to pull them... You putting them on-deck or something? If so, how you puttin them in the water? |
I recomend a good set of block and tackle. They're only Body 2, so it's not too impractical a solution.
Yarr!
Sphynx, did you actually buy up and use all the CF & load possible? Or did you just not spend the DP to get it? If you didn't spend the DP, why not use what was left over of our money to do that?
Load is at maximum. CF, there's plenty of. The problem is there's only about a ton's worth of load space left, and that was reserved for "cargo". (Do you guys just not look at the ships stats or something? I keep answering questions that are posted.....) You guys had three days of me hounding you over and over again about what you'd like in the ship, and all I got was someone saying "more sensors". However, even if you'd have thought about where you'd put your scooter, how do you get it off the ship? Even if we used the CF space and Load capacity, you still need to get it off of/out of the ship. Yachts aren't made with garage doors... Best I can imagine is some sort of hooks on the back or sides of the Yacht, and personally, I think that'd ruin our speed (not necessarily by numbers, but thematically)
Anyhows, out of my hands, I've turned the ship over to RangerJoe, it's his call if he allows you guys to edit it now. There's still some 190 extra CF and over 1000 load available. But how to convert that into some garage-door is outside of my shipbuilding knowledge.
Sphynx
Anyhows, out of my hands, I've turned the ship over to RangerJoe, it's his call if he allows you guys to edit it now. There's still some 190 extra CF and over 1000 load available. But how to convert that into some garage-door is outside of my shipbuilding knowledge.
Sphynx
Well, in defense, I'd say that thoughts about the big boat certainly crowded considerations of smaller craft out of my mind. However, small craft like water scooters can just be lashed to the deck (or a frame), and hoisted on and off with a block and tackle. Or, just mount some davits to hang them over the side (those things that you see lifeboats hanging from) and they can either be raised and lowered by hand, or electric motor. It's not quick, it's not elegant, but it can get the job done.
(yes, I'm not sure if this is an option listed in R3, but it makes a bit of sense, and should just take up load. It'll require GM approval, anyways).
*edit*
I was smart, and brought my books to work with me this time. Davits would be a very easy after market piece to pick up, although I can't find anything in the official geat that would quite correspond. It's a heavy block and tackle that hangs over the side of the boat. It doesn't even have to be motorized.
(yes, I'm not sure if this is an option listed in R3, but it makes a bit of sense, and should just take up load. It'll require GM approval, anyways).
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I was smart, and brought my books to work with me this time. Davits would be a very easy after market piece to pick up, although I can't find anything in the official geat that would quite correspond. It's a heavy block and tackle that hangs over the side of the boat. It doesn't even have to be motorized.
Just a note, as I said, I got a sea sled. Basically, its a torso sized drone with a gun on the front, and some handles on the sides for divers to hold onto to help increase their speeds that they can go underwater. I'm sure you've seen similar devices before. It has a CF of 0.5 of its own, its not very big. In fact, I'm sure Charlie could hoist the the thing over his head while dancing a jig (ok, maybe not quite, but still, it wouldn't be too bad). I'd say its somewhere around the size of a large pillow to the size of a dwarf, nothing too bad.
Sleds AFAIK, tend to be man portable. Sea scooters are a little less so, but at Body 2, they're probably closer to 75 kilos (the min) than 300 (the max). Having a couple more sea sleds would probably be a good idea. No better way to sneak into a boistrous ocean party than to sneak up on the ship from beneath, and then just ease yourself up over the side.
Also, I purchased a level 7 biometric maglock, well, kind of just because. Do we have anything that we really want to keep locked up?
Also, I purchased a level 7 biometric maglock, well, kind of just because. Do we have anything that we really want to keep locked up?
Make that a 6 lock Sand, only rating 6 at gen.
Oops. That was the lowest level of biometric, and that took me down to exactly 0 nuyen. Right, down one rating to six. Otter suggests she covertly install it on the door to the head, but that's probably the kind of prank that gets you keelhauled, and just because her totem got her into that kind of trouble doesn't mean he'd help her get back out.
Well if a 6 isn't biometric, we could put it on our cargo hold.
Davits/blocks+tackle seem quite reasonable, and at 200 
apiece, you can get nice, shiny ones that won't need oiling for at least a week.
apiece, you can get nice, shiny ones that won't need oiling for at least a week.
Huzzah, we've got a place to stick our Ski-doos and water scooters. I'll just post my corrections to my character sheet, and I swear to Bob, I am complete, finished, and done. I even managed to go and spend all my nuyen. Boy, do I feel good.
So uhm, where's that IC thread we were to see yesterday?
| QUOTE (Sandoval Smith) |
| Sleds AFAIK, tend to be man portable. Sea scooters are a little less so, but at Body 2, they're probably closer to 75 kilos (the min) than 300 (the max). Having a couple more sea sleds would probably be a good idea. No better way to sneak into a boistrous ocean party than to sneak up on the ship from beneath, and then just ease yourself up over the side. Also, I purchased a level 7 biometric maglock, well, kind of just because. Do we have anything that we really want to keep locked up? |
If we need to buy more sleds, I have a bunch of cash leftover. Not sure exactly how much of my contribution was actully used but I bet it wasn't all of it.
The new IC thread be active. Just a quick question-- what be the name of your fine two-master?
Enterprise
So I can say stuff like "Make it so," and "En-gage."
So I can say stuff like "Make it so," and "En-gage."
Yggdrasil
Been There
Gay Deciever
Barsoom
Big Fish
Rolly Jodger
Going Merry
Been There
Gay Deciever
Barsoom
Big Fish
Rolly Jodger
Going Merry
Ciniman Girl
I gotta say, Ship Name Here is entertaining. Its just what a gang of partially drunken nuts would write in a paint order.
Aye. 'Tis sum'thin' this scurvy lot would do.
I vote for 'Ship Name Here."
I forgot to specifically mention it in thread, but after the boat was finished, I spent the rest of my money, so subtract 50k from the community pot.
I forgot to specifically mention it in thread, but after the boat was finished, I spent the rest of my money, so subtract 50k from the community pot.
Your ship cook offers his hearty vote for "Ship Name Here".
Now wait a second... this is my boat, named before you scurvy varmints ever set foot on it. You can't vote the name.... that's just wrong. I pagan'd it (couldn't really christen it) , ShipNameHere.
Capt Sven! **Why do people keep calling me Seven?*
Capt Sven! **Why do people keep calling me Seven?
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Guys won't be around for about a week I've a wedding to go to this week and my oldest mate's grandad died and I've got to go to the funeral as well I'll post whenever I can but I can't promise too much.
Generally, you won't have to roll to get out of a harbor, unless you're under fire or somesuch. I'd count it as part of the "every pirate character knows how to sail a boat from point A to point B" school of vehicle skills. When you're chasing another boat down, or dodging that surfacing submarine (oops! tipped the hand there), then we'll need to see a roll.
No worries, Ray. Safe travelling, with all the weather.
No worries, Ray. Safe travelling, with all the weather.
Dodging surfacing submarines? Cool. 
Actually, Sphnyx, using movement on a vehicle is a little more complicated than using it on a person (where you just multiply or divide movement rate by the Spirit's essence).
1st: You roll essence vs TN: vehicle body/2 (4 in this case). However, since we're not in combat, we can say the spirit keeps blowing until it's got us going as fast as we want.
2nd: The vehicle then accelerates successes x Acceleration (can be repeated each combat turn the spirit uses its power).
3rd: Maximum possible vehicle speed is speed rating x 1.5, and exceeding the speed rating may incur a stress point.
From the boat stats, our speed rating is 125 m/combat turn with hydrofoils.
125 m/t = 93.75 mph / 150 kph.
Max possible speed = 140 mph / 225 kph.
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So, if it's about a thousand miles, it'll be about an 11 hour trip to Bermuda.
1st: You roll essence vs TN: vehicle body/2 (4 in this case). However, since we're not in combat, we can say the spirit keeps blowing until it's got us going as fast as we want.
2nd: The vehicle then accelerates successes x Acceleration (can be repeated each combat turn the spirit uses its power).
3rd: Maximum possible vehicle speed is speed rating x 1.5, and exceeding the speed rating may incur a stress point.
From the boat stats, our speed rating is 125 m/combat turn with hydrofoils.
125 m/t = 93.75 mph / 150 kph.
Max possible speed = 140 mph / 225 kph.
*edit*
So, if it's about a thousand miles, it'll be about an 11 hour trip to Bermuda.
Sandoval-- that looks about right. It'll be a bit longer to Bermuda.
I wasn't aware of the 1.5 limit, but that means we're going quite a bit slower then....
Max speed on sails with Hydrofoils is 37 m/t, for 28 MPH. If we're limited to 1.5 in increase, that'd be 42 MPH, so 24 hours.
[Edit]Got MPH and KPH backwards[/Edit]
Max speed on sails with Hydrofoils is 37 m/t, for 28 MPH. If we're limited to 1.5 in increase, that'd be 42 MPH, so 24 hours.
[Edit]Got MPH and KPH backwards[/Edit]
Ah, okay, I see now. I overlooked the Sail listing of [30]. Is 125 m/t our max speed when running on engines then?
Yeah, 125 is with engines and hydrofoils (150 KPH), so with a water spirit (instead of a sky spirit) we could cap out at 140 MPH.... not bad.
[Edit]Again got the KPH and MPH backwards[/Edit]
[Edit]Again got the KPH and MPH backwards[/Edit]
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