I just wondered how other people handle some of the things we have house ruled on? Here are some things we have done.

Stun weapons/ The stun effect will only give +1TN penalty instead of +2.

Perm. Karma pool Burn/ Buying successes costs 1pt/success no matter how many are bought, and TN are lowered by -2/point still max of 8

Intiation/You have to wait Initiation grade*2 in weeks before you can initiate again.

The test made to get gear is made with the contacts appropriate skill (plus dice if it is higher lvl contact), the player's ettq skill can be used as complementary.


Karma spending/Anything that would normally cost karma(skills, attributes, spells etc.)that has a reduction to the cost always has a minimum cost of 1pt.

Foci Availability/The force rating will be added into all foci availability ratings.

Astral Quests/The number of astral quests that you can perform per month is equal to your intiation grade.

A few others that came up last night are the insane pimpedness of a shotgun and how impossible it is to do anything against a Doberman drone(no one on are team can even hurt one.)

And another big one we do is that karma pool come back after the run not scene. This helped keep PCs from getting insane too quickly and it also helped close the gap between more and less experienced runners.

We tweeked stun weapons because they already do crazy dmg considering you only get half impact against them. We just found that they seemed really unbalanced.

all you need is AV rounds and you can take out a doverman drone, the body on them is not much, punch threw the armor and thay are toste. Ever Hit a doverman dron with a lightning bold? Thay dont react well to then, not to mention the ammo cooking off.

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My house rule about atributes
time: New atribute rating cost in weeks
any number of atributes can be improved at once.
Needs to be role played out.

examples:

Taking etiqet and elucuqtion lessons (not the skill), getgin new wardrobes, make over for charisma
Weight lifting for strength
runing for body
martial arts for quikness
studding and logic puzzels for intelegenc
Phylosaphy and day to day problem solvign for wisdom

keeps players from advancing atributes to fast, to often

I didn't mean to sound harsh on the guy. That's why I gave him the wink.

Actually, I found the "studding" slip a bit funny myself.

Oh I'm not snubbing him for a simple typo...

*waves hand like some Jedi*

"...this is not type example you are looking for..."

especially since studding is, in fact a word, and wouldn't have been caught by the spell checker.

and infact int he making of this post i checked, and it wasn't, the only things it brought up was my lack of ability to put " ' " in my contractions. oh well, it's the internet.

Boy, the spellchecker missed that one too!

sorry been having problems using the forums spell checker. It just comes up a black screen. So any way this should be a better post. I am one of the worlds worse spellers at any rate.

And you know sometimes you just don't need to reroll. Sometimes wasting all your karma on the first people you see, will lead you to an early grave.After all you don't always see the best gaurds at the "front gate".

Yeah that came out wrong. I should've said that it's possible for the roll not to be any better than the initial roll.

To some degree it is worse, because you're stuck at the same point but you now have one less karma pool.

~J

What happens if you rolled no successes and then re-roll all ones?

HAHA! Now I'd call that karma.

We also do the "Karma Pool refreshes only at the start of a run" house rule (i.e. once per session). It really is a matter of playing style... if you refresh at every scene, you can do some pretty superhuman things, especially when magic is involved, and it encourages a "smoke it if you got it" mentality. If you have it refresh only once during the run, it's more of a resource management and "save your hoop" issue. It also shortens the gap a bit between high Karma and low Karma characters. Frankly, I can see how both would be fun to play, but our group goes with the latter... I think the general consensus in our playing group is that Karma Pool would be too powerful if it refreshed at every scene (they are always balance-minded), and they also tend to be "planners and thinkers" when it comes to running... a good run is a run where one doesn't use up any Pool, but that's just them.

We also have extensive Called Shot house rules, but only because we actually care about that sort of crap. I really don't suggest for anyone to try coming up with a Called Shot system, because it's a major pain in the butt.

I think the most enjoyable house rule we have is the "Karma!" rule. If everyone at the table was entertained by an In Character action or comment, then everyone shouts "Karma!" and that character gets a Karma point. It's a sign of affirmation and I always love a good laugh.

we used to have an extensive called shots system, which got discontinued after people started using lots of grenades..
atm, we have houseruled just the gun creation rules, the vehicle creation rules, the surprise rules, the character generation rules, are seriously thinking of going back to sr2 initiative system, and seriously reworking/streamlining vehicle combat, sensor, etc rules and close combat rules..
ranged combat rules seem fine though.. we have to leave *something* canon..


DS

I say leave it upto the GM, its an easy way turn up or turn the danger level of any scene.

I have heard other people talk about burning good karma for successes, where is this at as I have never seen it?

I always thought it was Karma pool you could burn that way (for successes) but reading, and rereading the rules doesn't really clear it up, its in the "use of Karma pool" section, but it says "may burn points of Karma for successes" or something like that, perhaps this is a job for the FAQ, or at least one of our resident experts. (perhaps it should be the reverse order though)

Its in the karma pool section, and refers to karma pool only.

I thought it was karma pool only, but maybe I just assumed it that way, I will have to reread after work.

After reading this thread for several days, I offer only a gentle shrug.

One rule that is very explicit in just about every game I have ever played (SR being no exception), it is plainly stated that the rules are just guidelines.

On the subject of Karma, I allow the use of either Good Karma or Karma Pool for re-rolling oblivious knowledge rolls or utterly botched active rolls. Only Karma Pool can be used for actives, though Good Karma or Karma Pool can be used for Knowledge. I do not give Good Karma back, but Karma Pool is always refreshed at the end of the session. As for Good Karma: it doesn't matter if they get any successes or not... if they use the point, it's gone. I consider this a good use of karma, but at the same time, I'm pretty liberal with the karma, though I tend to be stingy with the nuyen

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Hey GrinderTheTroll - I followed the link in your sig and I must say I haven't laughed this hard in a long time! That was excellent (and yes, I read the entire thing) - almost made me want to hunt down a copy of SoF... Thank you!