Well, not if their opposition is equipped with the same stuff.

In terms of magic, I suppose you'd run into problems if you were attacking, say, an Immortal Elf or a Dragon (they know things that haven't been 'introduced' yet), but I'd like to think that would be the case if you were doing that at anytime.

Yeah. I don't think it matters what year it is when you go hunting dragons and IEs.

What else do you want to know? the first edition grimoire was out, so people still knew how to cast turn to goo and a lot of the spells were easier to cast (shapechange) or successes were not limited by Force. A Spell Lock, Basically a force one sustaining focus, could hold any force spell and could be turned on and off without having to recast the spell. Oh, but you don't want to include stuff like that, just drop some other stuff?

I'd say that's a little extreme. The cyberdeck thing is point blank wrong. The Fairlight was still around. If you don't want to go buck wild and create a whole slew of new decks, just change some of the names of the mid grade decks to Fuchi Cyber 6, Fuchi Cyber 7, etc, and keep the same stats.

Alpha and beta were both around and had the same costs as now, IRCC, but much, MUCH, harder to get your mits on. Ie. No alpha at char gen. I don't think Smartlink II was yet.

With the exception of the Ares Alpha, and the "Super Machineguns" (Ingram Supermach, Ares HVAR and VHLMG) all of the other weapons should be around. Except weapons that come standard with a SL2--no Pred III--but you could just rule that the Sav comes with a SL1 (Call it the "Sentinle" or some drek).

Don't know anything about programs or vehicle mods. Most of the off-the-rack vehicles should be around. Just lower the model number.

No Otaku, Drakes, or changlings. Shapeshifters and ghouls were around even if stats for them weren't. You did say you were just gonna use the SR3 rules and apply them to 2052, right?

No one knows about the Bugs yet, or at least very few people. The UB is still around, I think. Check AH's site or the Timeline Explorer for more solid info on that.

I'm not sure about Initiation and Metamagics. You could rule that they haven't been discovered yet (you wanted to do that anyway, yes?) but I'd still have them available to GDs and IEs.

Novatech ain't around, its still Fuchi. I don't know if Yamatetsu is out of the closet yet.

There's other stuff, too (no CZ, etc.) but not much machanics-wise. Depending on where you run (Seattle, NYC, DeeCee, etc.) there are probably differences in the Organized Crime leaderships.

Hope this helps.

Edit: Echo what Gyro said.

I don't think he wants to play SR2, just apply SR3 rules to a different time. I could've missed something, though.

Nope. You didn't miss a thing. I didn't realize I was being so vague, especially when I said "I am still using SR3 rules."

If this refers to the Savalette Guardian, then it ONLY comes with a Smartlink level 1. The default Savalette Guardian does not come with a Smartlink II (it has to be modified post-production).

The ammo's were probably still around. Since, ya'know, they exist now.

Whats the deal though with nanotechnology, given that apparently the majority of it was the result of Deus' experimentation/raids into the arcology?

I'm sorry, but Kid Stealth legs are DEFINITELY around... at least, the namesake was still using them.

I'd rule that the major PUSH for nanotech to come into the front market was Deus and the Renraku Arcology shutdown, but Nanotech has been around ever since the first datajack. After all, you can't implant the datajack without nanosurgery.

There's a lot of stuff that is probably around that didn't make it to a book. Even metamagic and bioware. Especially magic. You really think those "new" metamagics haven't existed all along? Unless it's linked to new tech or a new phenomina, it has likely been around and IEs, dragons and free spirits know about it and have been teaching it since 2011, or before.

If you say bioware wasn't around, I'll say Kid stealth legs were in existance as a one off custom piece at the time and for several years later.

Well, the events in "Into the Shadows" and "Wolf and Raven" were circa 2050, I believe (the two novels that have the character of Kid Stealth) and apparently Kid Stealth had those legs for some time before those events. It is not inconceivable to say that some Kid Stealth wannabes would start emulating his cyberleg design by 2052 (SOMEONE has to manufacture the cyberleg, and it would have to be a corp).

I said that MOST bioware wouldn't be available simply because Bioware was just starting to be developed at 2052 (as reported in Shadowtech), and 2052 is a nice ambiguous year to start introducing individual Bioware elements. By 2054, the contents of Shadowtech (and consequently, the Bioware section in Man and Machine) should be completely available, but it's a progression rather than a leap.

Yeah, that's kinda my point. The metamagics were around but no one knew how to use them is how'd rule it. Ammo, OTH, is easier to use.

Those wannabes wouldn't be around for very long, one way or the other. The first were a custom job paid for by Raven.

And who's to say that the PC runners aren't one of those wannabes? *grin*

The bioware shown in Cybertechnology is said to be available to the general public as of Summer 2052.

Heh. Good point.

I don't have my copy with me, but I'm pretty sure the 1st edition Street Samuari Catalog had Alpha at x4 cost and Beta at x7 (with the same essence reductions as they have in the 2060's). I think Delta ware was first introduced in the Cybertechnology sourcebook.

Does anyone out there still have a Street Samuari Catalog on hand? I remember liking the elf and the ork street samuari archetypes they had in the back

Also, Bone Lacing was introduced in Shadowtech and did not exist in the original SR1 rulebook.

I thought I editted the last portion of that out. Had written it at the end of the wrong post (damn multiple screens...) and thought it unwarranted in this case.

I would say I'm not that far off on the cyberdecks, though it is extreme. Then again, I'm judging by novels, not by the core books.