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SirKalamon
Hi all I just am curious on any other GM's that ran Brainscan and ask opinions of Brainscans final run of forcing cyberware on the players.I myself am a little thrilled about it and am in anticipation of it and looking forward to chopping my players up with an alphaware datajack,however, i am unsure if i should make it beta just for the sake of having some betaware on some of the players.I cant wait till the mage in the group wakes up with ware on his head.What are some of your thoughts on this very notion of forcing cyberware on some players from that run?
Ancient History
Easily the single most hated part of Brainscan among players, right there. They hate the idea of having their characters forced or railroaded...and the addition of cyberware can be such an invasive procedure. Like raping a little bit of someone's soul.

I've seen it turn out well. A mage or no-cyber type gets a little haunted, and deals with it somehow (magicians are actually the lucky ones, a little geas makes them interesting...even if they want to be Pristine Uberelf Mage or somethign.) Some learn to deal with it, some rant at the GM until they remove it.

Most of the time, I've seen GMs pussy out and not go through with it. Not at my table, folks. You come for da ride, you gonna pay de price. vegm.gif
Kagetenshi
Honestly, I think more things should result in the forced implantation of cyberware.

~J
Nikoli
I'm thinking unconscious member of the network
Crimsondude 2.0
Honestly, I'm thinking that maybe they should have not resorted to such nonsense, and let the non-deckers fight off hoards of Blues while the deckers/Otaku deal with Deus.
James McMurray
But if the team has one decker, is he going to have a lot of chance against Deus?
mfb
s'what NPCs are for.
James McMurray
I know if I were a decker and I was just a cog in a group of NPCs I'd be a bit miffed. I prefer to have the PCs in the limelight as much as possible.

But I haven't read all of Brainscan, much less run it. So I'm proably not a good source for this particular topic. smile.gif
Crimsondude 2.0
Well, between the PC decker and the umpteen Otaku and wanker NPCs *cough*Dodger*cough*, I think the Matrix battle's pretty well covered.
FlakJacket
QUOTE (Ancient History)
Like raping a little bit of someone's soul.

Because of course Deus is just all sweetness and llight. wink.gif
mfb
i like Dodger. now, Ronin? somebody ought to throw him face-first into a brick wall.

oh, wait!
Edward
As a player I donít dislike the idea when done well. I havenít goten that far yet but from what I have heard the logic behind it is solid. I donít think it is the kind of thing that should happen often but I am looking forward to it. Of cause I did have to change my character a little bit when I heard brain scan was a probability for the campaign, donít want bio rejection.

My character is however one of those (semi) purist mages and will be very upset but I will be having fin. The hard part will be fighting my GM of afterwards when he tries to convince me to fill up that point of essence. I probably will eventually. But I wonít be doing it fast.

Edward
Crimsondude 2.0
Did I also mention that if Deus is going to implant anything into anyone, it may as well count as Beta or Delta eqv.?

And mfb's right, except for the part where he also needed to have his windpipe removed and spine crushed and be left for the devil rats--preferably right next to Dodger's dead bloating corpse.

If I hadn't already known that Jason, Brian and Dave--especially Dave--can and have done better, I'd hate BS.
Club
If you are a nice GM, you could give them some more cyber. Datajack, chipjack, knowsoft link, and math SPU 1 is almost manditory when I make a cybered PC, so maybe show your players the joys of that combo. If you're even nicer, give it beta or delta

If you are a nasty GM, give them useless cyber worth 1.01 E

Even if you don't deck, the math SPU has so many other functions it is worth the .1 E. Clock, timer, and being able to ask the GM to pass you a calculator, because you *do* have one built into your head!!
Fortune
QUOTE (Crimsondude 2.0)
Did I also mention that if Deus is going to implant anything into anyone, it may as well count as Beta or Delta eqv.?

I think anything Deus implants should be at least Beta.
Demonseed Elite
I didn't like that part of Brainscan. Mainly because we didn't write it, and because it took our whole (in my opinion, cooler) idea of the final fight and turned it into a crazy UV fairy tale with onis and crap.

Ah well.

But, that said, I don't dislike it because it's cruel to the PCs. Hell, if the PCs are whining because they got a datajack installed in them, then you're not playing the Arcology right. A datajack should be the least of their concerns. wink.gif
BitBasher
It's the other 4 datahacks they couldn't immediately see when looking int he mirror that are more amusing. wink.gif vegm.gif
Critias
QUOTE (mfb)
i like Dodger. now, Ronin? somebody ought to throw him face-first into a brick wall.

oh, wait!

Bitch had it comin', yo. "Blah blah blah this place is secure, blah blah blah we'll tell you what we think you need to know, blah blah blah aaiigh we're under attack by Blues when you're in your street clothes and half of you have no guns, and it's all my fault! Save me, save me!"
Charon
QUOTE (Demonseed Elite)
I didn't like that part of Brainscan. Mainly because we didn't write it, and because it took our whole (in my opinion, cooler) idea of the final fight and turned it into a crazy UV fairy tale with onis and crap.


Are you implying you are one of the authors of Brainscan?

Which parts?
The White Dwarf
Most characters have a datajack. If they dont, they just got an alphaware one for free, along with all its benefits. And any magical characters now have liscense to get 0.8 pts *more* of cyber/bio before theyre further hit. They may initially dislike this but seriously, give it a bit of time and itll turn around.

As for the final area of that moduel, I rather didnt like the dues ex machina action. The players should be the holders of destiny at the end of a long adventure, having the flavor text finish it for them is weak. Ymmv
Fortune
QUOTE (Charon)
Are you implying you are one of the authors of Brainscan? biggrin.gif

He's not implying anything. He is one of the authors of Brainscan.
Charon
QUOTE (Fortune)
QUOTE (Charon @ Feb 18 2005, 06:28 PM)
Are you implying you are one of the authors of Brainscan? biggrin.gif

He's not implying anything. He is one of the authors of Brainscan.

In which case the follow up question would be what ending was originnaly planned?
Crimsondude 2.0
QUOTE (Critias @ Feb 17 2005, 11:24 PM)
QUOTE (mfb @ Feb 17 2005, 08:53 PM)
i like Dodger. now, Ronin? somebody ought to throw him face-first into a brick wall.

oh, wait!

Bitch had it comin', yo. "Blah blah blah this place is secure, blah blah blah we'll tell you what we think you need to know, blah blah blah aaiigh we're under attack by Blues when you're in your street clothes and half of you have no guns, and it's all my fault! Save me, save me!"

It's funny because it seems so out of character from an outsider's perspective that half the team had no guns.

Of course, I'm one to talk. I had a PC inside when the Arc shut down. He was asphyxiated even after the GM (not Dave) warned me. Twice.
Wireknight
Hey, now. One of you had throwing stars.
Demonseed Elite
QUOTE
Are you implying you are one of the authors of Brainscan?

Which parts?


Yep, I am. The original idea of Brainscan was my pitch, and I wrote the Revelations and Outside Influence chapters. Though really, the whole thing was a very collaborative effort, so there's bits of other peoples' ideas in my chapters and bits of my ideas in the other chapters.

But it was also my first writing project with FASA, and Dave's second, so there was some heavy editing attention put on it. In some places, for good, in others, for bad, in my opinion.

Anyway, the original ending had a physical fight and a Matrix fight happening simultaneously. While the deckers were inside the SCIRE, the physical characters in the PCs' group had to escort another team of deckers to the roof of the Arcology, so a connection to the outside world could be setup and Megaera could be let in. That part also included the PCs using micro-parachutes to parachute down the elevator shafts of the Arcology afterwards, which I always thought was a cool touch that got cut. cool.gif
Crimsondude 2.0
QUOTE (Demonseed Elite)
Anyway, the original ending had a physical fight and a Matrix fight happening simultaneously.  While the deckers were inside the SCIRE, the physical characters in the PCs' group had to escort another team of deckers to the roof of the Arcology, so a connection to the outside world could be setup and Megaera could be let in.

What a coincidence !!

QUOTE
  That part also included the PCs using micro-parachutes to parachute down the elevator shafts of the Arcology afterwards, which I always thought was a cool touch that got cut.  cool.gif

Yeah, Entrapment does have its moments.
Critias
QUOTE (Crimsondude 2.0)
It's funny because it seems so out of character from an outsider's perspective that half the team had no guns.

Hey, don't look at me. The Meet was in a nice place, and we went straight from the Meet to the warehouse -- but it's not like there's any rule against keeping a piece in your car, or something. *I* had a gun. *I* had two of them, in fact, which is why only "half" the party didn't.

Still, if Ronni-poo had been all up front with us about just how secure the place was, I'd'a gone in there all kitted out and ready for bear, not carrying a few casual sidearms and then getting jumped by guys with HVLMGs, thankyouverymuch. S'why he got that nice brick wall all scuffed up with his face, later. "Need to know" stops being cool when it almost gets you killed.

Man. We really gotta finish that gig, someday, WK. Get onnit.
mfb
QUOTE (Wireknight)
Hey, now. One of you had throwing stars.

i'll kill you and steal your twin LCDs.

and, yes. finishing BS would be cool.
Charon
QUOTE (Demonseed Elite @ Feb 18 2005, 08:50 AM)
Yep, I am.  The original idea of Brainscan was my pitch, and I wrote the Revelations and Outside Influence chapters...

Well, nice job then. I think Brainscan is great campaign and I'm eager to run it.

I've owned it for years but I bought it just before my group entered a SR downcycle... We're back, playing in late 58 through the events of Mob War / BITBR. I'll have them in the arcology when it goes offline. I'm sure most will manage to get out, it's too early in the game for the Arcology to be perfectly sealed. If possible, at least one friendly NPC will die in these events, though. When they come back, it'll be personal.

The ending is also something I thought could have been a little more grounded for some PCs. As a story, I think it isn't a bad ending. If it was a novel for example, it would be ok. But for many PCs, it's anticlimatic. The decker is gonna be a star, which is nice, but the mage is gonna sit on his ass. No utilities on his deck and his main skill is sorcery and has no computer to fall back on. Yay. I don't mind seeing some PC underused in some segment, but usually not the end of a scenario, never the end of a campaign.

Your ending is better that way. Plus, if someone falls along the way, he can always be jacked in as originally planned. He had his chance, so a second chance in the UV host is better than nothing at all.
Shockwave_IIc
QUOTE (Fortune)
QUOTE (Crimsondude 2.0 @ Feb 18 2005, 02:25 PM)
Did I also mention that if Deus is going to implant anything into anyone, it may as well count as Beta or Delta eqv.?

I think anything Deus implants should be at least Beta.


I thought i had read somewhere Deus rather good skills at implanting the same packages that Essence was further reduced by 10% ??

Demonseed Elite
The ending for the Arcology was flawed in that it is basically a Dungeon Bash. Moving through the Arcology, an encounter or 2 was used to make my player realise how bad things were but the end i just read out as to what happened.

At first they complained, but when i mention that they had very little chance of making it they shut up, more so when i mention that i was being generous and gave my own PC only a 50/50 chance of survival that let it ly.

Then Kagetenshi did his short story and i let them read it. They became VERY happy with my decision.
[BTW Kagetenshi anychance of E-mailing me that story?]


I got bored with Dungeon Bash's about 14 years ago.
Grinder
I liked Brainscan, although i never played it (neither as gm nor as player). The end is somehow boring, as other people mentioned here. But its a cool overall campaign, one of my favourites in SR. smile.gif
Crimsondude 2.0
QUOTE (Critias)
QUOTE (Crimsondude 2.0 @ Feb 18 2005, 03:44 AM)
It's funny because it seems so out of character from an outsider's perspective that half the team had no guns.

Hey, don't look at me. The Meet was in a nice place, and we went straight from the Meet to the warehouse -- but it's not like there's any rule against keeping a piece in your car, or something. *I* had a gun. *I* had two of them, in fact, which is why only "half" the party didn't.

Still, if Ronni-poo had been all up front with us about just how secure the place was, I'd'a gone in there all kitted out and ready for bear, not carrying a few casual sidearms and then getting jumped by guys with HVLMGs, thankyouverymuch. S'why he got that nice brick wall all scuffed up with his face, later. "Need to know" stops being cool when it almost gets you killed.

Man. We really gotta finish that gig, someday, WK. Get onnit.

Well to be fair my criticism is directed primarily at Mr. Throwing Stars.

Although the post that he made when he realized all he had on him were throwing stars was great.
mfb
heh. he certainly never went anywhere else without a gun, ever again. nothing like a squad of Blues to teach you preparedness.
fistandantilus4.0
I'm looking to run that adventure myself here pretty soon. Any chance on any details for the alternate ending? I found the matrix run an interesting idea in theory, but a bit off in practice, looking to see what the alternative has going for it.
Aes
'friad the closest we got to running brainscan was that the assistant GM pawned an otaku from the arc off on us. My PC lovingly refers to him as "the asshole wonderboy".
Kagetenshi
QUOTE (Shockwave_IIc)
[BTW Kagetenshi anychance of E-mailing me that story?]

Gladly. I'll finish compiling it to a single file as soon as I've done a once-over on some old game files for AH and intimidated my webhost into letting me know why SotSW is offline.

~J
DocMortand
By the way, can someone recommend the best place to pick up Brainscan? I definately want to get my hands on it, but it's out of print.

Oh yah, I tried the Fast Forward FanPro Store...not there.
Fortune
It'll probably be released as a PDF in the very near future.
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