The Ares Alpha (CC pg. 22) has 2 points of recoil comp due to a "special chamber design." It also says that it can accomodate barrel-mounted accessories.

Does this mean that additional recoil compensation mods can be added?

Yes it does. Which means that you can get a total of 8 points worth of recoil mods on the thing.

yes.

That's what I love about this boards - virtually instantaneous answers. It's almost as if everyone was jacked in...scary.

Fraggin' Tortises.

JaronK

Still just using trodes, sorry.

Fast? Baby, those responses traveled 6 minutes back in time to bite you in the ass. You don't know fast.

It's a start.

See that, baby? 5 minutes before I posted, I responded to you responding to me 2 minutes later.

Not quite the level of exactness I was looking for.

I always thought that it was the 2 points of recoil reduction that you can add to a gun's design under the Cannon Companion's firearms design rules. The Ares Alpha is simply a gun that is the example of that design option.

As i recall the Ares Alpha was out before the gun making rules. I think it is like from a long time ago.

Yeah. Fields of Fire. 1994.

It means that the chamber is designed in a way to minimize the kick back of the gas expansion, to the point where you get 2 points of recoil comp.

Yeah, I think he understands that. That is unfortunately about as good an explanation as "dikoting is sharp so it increases damage."

Built-In (2)
Personalized Handgrip (1)
Gas Vent IV (4)
Shock Pads (1)
Foregrip (1)

Gryoscopic Cyberarm (4)
Strength 10 (2)

Reaper madness.

And Raygun's point what whatever fluff you throw at it won't make it any less silly.

Same with dikote.

No, you never need more than 10 if you play canon. Practically, it's easy to get 9 and that's all you really need.

Isn't the Ares Alpha an HV gun, meaning it can fire 15 per pass?

Ah. Oh well. Don't need the silly foregrip anyway.

I'm pretty sure it isn't. Maybe you're thinking of the Ares HVAR? (Which fires a whopping 18 rounds per phase.)

[Edit: Too slow, yet at the same time]

Edit: someone beat me to it

If you don't have crazy strength or a ridiculously stupid extra arm, there's no reason not to get the foregrip to get up to 9 points. The grenade launcher's integral, so it really doesn't matter and there's nothing saying you can't mount it.

Even without the foregrip/underbarrel weight, a Strength of 5 (or is it 6? I always forget this part) plus the other mods gives you 9 RC.

It's 6. Personally, I find that excessive and would start it at 5, but the values were pretty clearly put together not to favor standard humans.

Ah, thanks.

So Strength 6, Gas Vent IV, Personalized Grip, Internal RC, and Shock Pads gives you 9 RC.

Fields of fire made the Aries Alfa look like a bulpup weapon.

Bulpup configuration grants 2 points of integral recoil compensation and +2 conceal ability. An integral grenade launcher reduces conceal ability by 2. the Aries Alfa has the base conceal ability for assault rifles. Adds up nicely where I am siting.

The fields of fire entry was pointed out to me when I complained to my GM that there where no standard weapons with the bullpup configuration.

As to non bulpup explanations (eg the Aries HVAR has 3 points of integral and the design modification) an uncommonly well balanced weapon that has the force directed more in line with the bracing of the weapon works for me (taking more man hours to design and thus costing more money to buy). I was under the impression that not all weapons in the same class with the same ammunition had the exact same recoil characteristics.

Edward

And yet they all fire the same stuff.

Please, can we not go down this route? It's pretty much universally acknowledged that the firearm design rules are insane crap, and there's no sense in trying to hack together silly justifications for them.

Don't forget Custom Grips and/or just a decent Strength score. You can get way higher.