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fistandantilus4.0
Now in the SR universe, everyone pretty much knows the well-to-do deckers, because their names are plastered all over the books. You get a few sammy's sowing up to like Argent. BUt everyone of course knows Cpt. Chaos, Link, Grid Reaper, etc.

What about mages? Who are the heavy-duty mojo men of SR?
There are a few that show up pretty regularly. Talon of course, Magister and silicon mage are all over the source books (although actually ability is never really gone over, to my knowledge at least). There's also the made on Skater's team (Cullen Trey right?). But other than the dragons and the IE's, who else are the big time magic players.

I suppose you can throw in Rosalyn Hernandez of the IoND.Doc Raven? Would Wolf count? He's an adept right? Just trying to use street reputation for NPC's a bit more, and I'm trying to think of who the 'Fastjack's" of the magical world would be.

Got any more names to drop?
Kagetenshi
Sally Tsung.

~J
fistandantilus4.0
More specific? as in "who is Sally Tsung" what's her story?

I also know the head of Yamatetsu Seattle Jacques Bernard is a mage, but nothing to special form what I understand.
Mortax
Sally Tsung was in the first several novels. She worked with Twist, Doger, Niko, and their chummers.

There was also a chicka named Aroura, she bought it in a fight with a blood mage. However, she was one hell of a mage. She was involved in the first major raid of the UB (see UB book).

Magistar, Talon, and a few others come to mind.

Danial Coleman (Howling Coyote) was supposed to have died in the early 2050s (see first few novels) However, given his level of power and totum...I wouldn't rule out the possibility of his death being false.

Hernandez and her cronies at the illuminates of the new dawn.

Just general curiosity, or are you planning something? smile.gif
DocMortand
Twist would probably be up there as well as far as being well known. Neko not as much (he's a bit player, IMO)

Hmm Professor Laverty in Tir Tangire as well. He's part of the ruling council, I believe.
fistandantilus4.0
I know Twist shows up in Dunkie's Will. Don't really know anything beyonf that about her (?right?) though.
Is Laverty one of the IE's? I always forget . there's too damn many.
DocMortand
Twist is Samuel Verner, from the first three SR books.

I believe Laverty is an IE, yes. AH might correct me, tho.
Kagetenshi
AH has him listed as an IE, and it's painfully obvious from parts of the Secrets of Power Trilogy.

~J
DocMortand
Well, I kinda figured, but I wanted to hedge my bets. Thanks for confirming, K.
Fortune
Twist's magic was totally burned out in his version of the GGD.

Katherine Hart is an elf mage associated with Tir Na nOg from the first trilogy.
JaronK
Man of Many Names comes to mind.

JaronK
fistandantilus4.0
QUOTE (JaronK @ Mar 13 2005, 01:33 AM)
Man of Many Names comes to mind.

JaronK

Forgot about him He does pop up a lot.

I've actually only gotten through the 1st secrets of power book. Scouring used book stores for the others. That's the one where Haesslich bites it, right?

I wonder why they never really bring up the "prominent" mages. Haven't seen "prime runners" yet though. Any covered under there?

On a slightly off subject, for the thread of shamans vs mages, the whole debate on acting like your totem:
Wolf from Wolf and Raven. They don't exactly see eye to eye. One good example of a well known mage (doc Raven)
Rock-Steady
QUOTE (fistandantilus3.0)
Haven't seen "prime runners" yet though. Any covered under there?


Prime Runners covers Karl Heinz Zessler (an elf of old age, dont know if he is immortal, but he probably is).

He shows up in one (or more) novel(s), but forgot which one(s).
hahnsoo
There's "the Guide", who may or may not be a shaman (or a free spirit, for that matter). Ghostwalker's voice, Nicholas Whitebird (?) also is a shaman.
Large Mike

"The Guide" is pretty solidly an aspect of the Spirit of Denver. I'm willing to lay down *at least* a dollar on that without looking it up.
hahnsoo
QUOTE (Large Mike)
"The Guide" is pretty solidly an aspect of the Spirit of Denver. I'm willing to lay down *at least* a dollar on that without looking it up.

He's one of three things, according to the Denver sourcebook:
Option A: A Raven shaman by the name of Davis Dry Valley.
Option B: One of the fragments of the Spirit of Denver
Option C: A Toxic Dog shaman by the name of Davis Dry Valley.

There is nowhere mentioned (that I know of, at least) which solidly links him to any of the three, although the incident with Nicholas Whitebird and Ghostwalker probably puts him in the realm of either Option A or Option B. Since one of Ghostwalker's goals is the restoration of the Spirit of Denver, I find it odd that he wouldn't have brought the Guide into the fold if he was one of the fragments. Possible, but odd...it's not stated whether or not Ghostwalker even knows how to do this, so he could just be letting the Guide go about his own way until it is possible.
Kagetenshi
C! C! C!

~J
Drain Brain
QUOTE (Rock-Steady)
QUOTE (fistandantilus3.0 @ Mar 13 2005, 07:08 AM)
Haven't seen "prime runners" yet though. Any covered under there?


Prime Runners covers Karl Heinz Zessler (an elf of old age, dont know if he is immortal, but he probably is).

He shows up in one (or more) novel(s), but forgot which one(s).

He shows up in Sargent & Gascgoine's "Black Madonna."

And since I'm on the subject of those books (which I really like) there's Serrin Shamandar who, despite the name, is an Elven Hermetic Mage, whose parents used to work for Renraku and were killed, he's got a gummy leg and a fit young South African girlfriend called Kristen and size 11 feet....... yadda yadda yadda...
Fortune
AFAIK, it is mentioned in YotC (or some other book released since Denver) that 'The Guide' is as Large Mike says, an aspect of the Spirit of Denver.
hahnsoo
QUOTE (Fortune)
AFAIK, it is mentioned in YotC (or some other book released since Denver) that 'The Guide' is as Large Mike says, an aspect of the Spirit of Denver.

I've checked in both YotC and Dragons of the Sixth World, and neither are conclusive.
toturi
Cullen Trey
Talon
Harlequin
Aina
DragginSPADE
Aina and Harlequin are both Immortal Elves.

For other mojo heavy characters I'd add Mary Cat Dancing.
Charon
Moonfeather from the novel Shadowboxer seemed pretty powerful. She's one of the few magic user I can think of who demonstrated the invoking metamagic in a novel.

BTW : that novel was a chaotic mess. I bet that was a few gaming sessions put together into novel form. That would explain the collossal amount of threads left dangling and of weird story twists. As a gaming session, it must have been memorable. As a novel, well it is memorable but not for the same reasons.
Snow_Fox
QUOTE (Fortune)

Katherine Hart is an elf mage associated with Tir Na nOg from the first trilogy.

Hart was an american doing work in TNN. She is Twist's main love interest. she was very mercinary but he brought out a more compassionate side of her.
Snow_Fox
QUOTE (DocMortand)
Hmm Professor Laverty in Tir Tangire as well. He's part of the ruling council, I believe.

I thought he "left" the ruling council, whether voluntarily or no is up for grabs but that makes a good protagonist for any plot.
Chance359
Sukie Redflower
Crimson Jack
Do dragons count? Schwarzkopf regularly teaches magic at Prague University, IIRC.
Club
Dragons and IE's count the same way atomic bombs count as explosives.
Crimsondude 2.0
Dr. Carolyn Winters, CEO of Manadyne.
Dr. Frazer Williams, Chairman of the Occult Studies Dept. at Georgetown University and member of the Scott Commission.
Akiko Kano & Arthur White Eagle, first recepients of the Nobel prize for the Kano-White Eagle Theory of Metaphysical Phenomena.
Dr. Etienne Dumas, creator of the Dumas test (determines magical ability).
Marcus Cross, Head Houngan of the Voice of Ogoun voudoun society of the Carib League.
David Dragonson, leader of the Children of the Dragon.
Arhur Garrett, Chairman of the UCLA Occult Studies Dept.
Dr. Ignaz Yablonski, UCAS Surgeon General and former Seattle Chief Medical Examiner.
Frances Daniels (deceased), first known physical adept.
Kyle Teller and Captain Anne Ravenheart, leaders of the Wrigley Dome enclave in Bug City.
Jason Two Spirits (unknown), powerful mage who predicted the CZ and had an enclave in the Field Museum.
Lt. Col. Lloyd Ritter, aka "Grey Knight," Commander of Knight Errant Signal and Intelligence battalions, former Firewatch member, former shadowrunner.
Moire Ferguson, aka "Banshe," Company woman for Telestrian Industries and the Johnson for the pain-in-the-ass run with the Ghosts known as "Double Take."
Blackwing, Tir Black Dagger.
Tamara Nimbus, President of the United Talismongers Association in CFS.
Yee Chan, leader of the Golden Acorn Society in COGMA.
Judge Nick Utall, snake shaman judge and powerful politician in Ute Nation.
Fortune
QUOTE (Snow_Fox @ Mar 14 2005, 04:22 AM)
Hart was an american doing work in TNN.

I know ... that's why I didn't say from Tir Na nOg. wink.gif
It was inferred that she had done work for them before on more than one occasion.

Has anyone mentioned Bandit? I seem to recall a couple of Raccoon Shamans by that name in the novels. From their disparate descriptions they all couldn't be the same character.
Wireknight
QUOTE (Crimsondude 2.0)
Blackwing, Tir Black Dagger.

Blackwing is actually a delta-grade cyborg, not an adept.
kevyn668
Blackwing aka Bloodwing? If we're talking about the same hombre, he's a freelancer AFAIK. Not a Black Dag. And I didn't know he had Delta grade 'ware. I thought it was just beta.

I'm talking about the elf hitman from "Bottled Demon" and "Dragon Hunt."

As for mages, there's Nadia Minrin from the "Into the Shadows" set of short stories.
Wireknight
He was a former Black Dagger, and at some point got back into the graces of the Tir and was made a count(Count Paris, ha ha, R&J reference). His 'ware was standard-grade in Bottled Demon, alphaware in Dragon Hunt, and is apparently much more exensive, and delta-grade (or at least his arms are, and I'd imagine the rest is too) in Double Take.
kevyn668
I didn't know he was in Double Take. What's that one about again?
Crimsondude 2.0
Oops.
zephir
Digital Mage
Rikki Ratboy (sp?)
Fortune
Rikki's pushing up daisies now.
mintcar
I beleive nobody mentioned Mr Oscuro, or Darke.

And another azzie: Kaene. Don´t know much about him eccept he´s a "no stats" NPC in A Killing Glare.
mintcar
Would Wolf and Raven still be active? The books take place in like, the 2030ies I think.
toturi
QUOTE (mintcar)
Would Wolf and Raven still be active? The books take place in like, the 2030ies I think.

Wolf and Raven (the book) take place in the 2050s.

Wolf and Raven are still active in 2060 (Terminus Experiment).
mintcar
Is that a fact? I´m pretty sure the at least the first of the short stories say it takes place earlier.
Smed
Most of the Wolf and Raven stories took place in the 2050s. The author wrote the first story while the game was still in the conceptual stages, before the rules were even published.

The Terminous Xxperiment is the most recent book I can remember them being in.

Those Wolf and Raven stories are the best Shadowrun fiction ever published IMHO.
Fortune
QUOTE (Smed)
The author wrote the first story while the game was still in the conceptual stages, before the rules were even published.

Which is why Wolf doesn't really fit into the concept of any of the canon archetypes.
winterhawk11
There's also Nathaniel Edward Fortescu, aka "Neddy," one of the first mages to get mentioned in the early SR stuff (I think he was the model for the "Street Mage" archetype in the original SR1 book.)

Also Lothan and Kellan Colt, if we're counting SR: Duels.
Kagetenshi
And Natokah.

~J
Kanada Ten
Dr. Rozilyn Hernandez, Illuminates of the New Dawn
Diana Noctua, Bountyhunter
Dr. Rupert Calvin, metaphysics
Dr. Ennosuke Uemura, MCT Thaumaturgical R&D
kevyn668
QUOTE (Fortune)
QUOTE (Smed @ Mar 15 2005, 02:20 AM)
The author wrote the first story while the game was still in the conceptual stages, before the rules were even published.

Which is why Wolf doesn't really fit into the concept of any of the canon archetypes.

Echo that! I almost gave myself a migrane trying to figure out what they're stats were. Good stories, though.

winterhawk11: I can't believe I forgot Neddy. He seems like a prototype for Cullen Trey now that I think about it.

Did anyone mention Dr. Alan Gordon?
Wireknight
Didn't Neddy get some mention as a rules example in some Shadowrun 3rd Edition sourcebook? I can't recall exactly which one it was, though I'd imagine it was either SR3 or Magic in the Shadows.

And "well known" may not necessarily be synonimous with "appears in canon", because there are a whole lot of magicians that appear in canon that I wouldn't call particularly well-known in the shadows. Basically, if you've got enough clout as to how the Shadowrun universe plays out, you can get your pet mage elevated to such status (Twist, Talon, Sally Tsung), and some were famous through virtue of initial canon writings (Howling Coyote, Kano). Since there's little indication that most adventures and events see the kind of fame/infamy that a lot of the initial plot events were made to result in, it's doubtful that most canon-mentioned magicians, even repeat-appearance ones, would be universally well-known.
Bigity
Did we ever hear anything more about Hart and Verner, after the three novels? I know Twist shows up briefly in SSG, but I don't recall anything else, or Hart.

Man, I gotta find those first three books again. Stupid dog ate em.
Club
My sister's pygmy goat, the book-destroying monster. Managed to replace the one out of that series I lost though.
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