It did have one of the best fight scenes ever, IMO.

I wasn't the one bashing it in the first place. I saved my venom for peoples actions and words. Too often here if you don't agree with everyone that something sucks you are beaten down. Now I do not begrudge him his feelings on the matter but to call your feelings about a story an opinion, let alone an educated opinion or fact is just not right. I personally have very strong feelings about several novels, both good and bad, but I identify them as feelings not as rational though, opinions, or fact. People here need to learn to draw a line. They also need to remember one solid piece of advice.

You seperate feelings and opinion? Um, ok. And now you're giving advice on how people should spout their opinion? Um, yeah.

Definatly a bad plot.

I can get worse.

Four elderly female runners are called out of retirement in Miami when Sven Storgenson's prize herring is stollen just three days before St. Olaf's annual herring festivel.....by Azzie blood mages. If they aren't stopped they'll sacrifice it and create a Crimson Herring spirit.
Picture it; Minnosata, 2065.

Here's one...

We find out that the Predator Omega was the actual assassin of Big D.

Oh, how I would love to see someone writing a fanfic about him. LMAO! Maybe I'll give it a try.

Well, I'm a writer. My deviantart is in my signature, so feel free to read some of my stuff. Yes, I suck, moving on - Criticism is fine. Don't state your opinions as fact (I.E. This person is horrible, etc etc) but you can feel that way if you wish. Just remember there could always be something good written by the worst writer (Pythagoris, and I can't even spell his bloody name, was a bogus mathematician who only found one legitimate theory, and that is the trianglular thing he did. I'm also not a math major.)

And on the Mercedes Lackey subject, I've only read her Valdemar series (and not everything in it) but I've loved most of it. Vanyel would make a pretty good 15th-ish level magician, perhaps even higher. Certainly she writes some amazing characters, though I can't give her a great score in the fight-scene department. She also does the research to back up her books, which I find amazing.

As to a reallllllly bad plotline.

Three runners are hired to kidnap a Tir princess and take her to the "Plane of Night." As the mission progresses and turns into a disaster, it is discovered that the Plane of Night is really the Plane of Nightmares and requires an initiate. Unfortunately, the group's mage is not, as the Johnson had mistakenly thought, an initiate. The mission cannot possibly succeed but as they try to kidnap her anyhow for some type of reward, the poor mage falls six stories when his helicopter gets shot down and gets kidnapped by the Tir.

...I just got my character back about....a week ago

Not at all. Mankind has grown distant from nature; cyberware is just a way of bringing him back.

~J

This thread makes my head hurt. The worst part is that I can honestly see one of my old GMs doing everyone of these things, thinking it was deep.

Hyzmarca beat me to the next line.

So I'll have to go off on a tangent. Runners are hired to try and amass relics from around the world. They will be competeing with the Atlantis Foundation who will not want them to succeed. They want to prove life started here on earth, the team's Johnson is among:
those who believe life here, began out there and may have been the forefathers of the Egyptians, or the Aztecs, or the Mayans. There may yet brothers of man fighting to survive, beyond the stars....

Sorry kids, wrong reference. Try going back about 15 years from SG. Though if you have lots of cyber on the runners, who knows wehat side they'd be on.

Upon hearing about a remake of a popular television show several fans pool their resources and hire runners to blackmail and assassinate several television execs because they want Starbuck/Apollo slash fraggit!

The runners are hired to a routine extraction from MCT. The run goes off with only the very least of hitches. (A 4 round fire fight with some gangers in Redmond.) The team is paid on delivery exactly what was specified in the contract. they later hear the extraction is working for exactly the company the Johnson claimed he worked for. MCT has no idea who pulled off the run and can't get anyone to talk.

I guarantee the players willbe foaming at the mouth from their own paranoia.

What makes that a bad plot line? Succesfull runs and paranoid players are a good thing.

Also, the Predator Omega is completely made of metal, but he has sever allergy to sunlight. WTF?

Not to mention his silver allergy.
Maybe he's just a very unstable alloy?

Liquid metal?

Yeah he still has the allergy, the sun just can't reach any organic material to burn. It's like titanium sunscreen.

The team is hired to affect the voting on a phone in trid talent competion. The sec deckers are too good for a matrix run so they have to find another way to to ensure the freaky looking, pitchjy, no talent hack gets the most votes dog, and if they can drop a light on the obnoxious host at the same time, it is a bonus.

Runners are hired to insert a robot dog.

A criminal organization believed to have culled the best members of various crime families around the world, claims to have possession of 2 nuclear bombs and it will explode them unless paid 100,000,000. A British Nightwraith bomber with two bombs went missing during a training flight over the Atlantic. Most experets seem to think the bombs are in North Africa or the NAN but your Johnson is taking you to the Bahamas just for the heck of it.

Runners are hired by Johnson X to assassinate pesky human Y who have been making inroads on X's territory. Runners try, but discovers that Y is a dragon! Y bets runners within an inch of their lives, but allows them to live if they instead murder Johnson X. Runners try, but discover X is a dragon too! X is pissed runners tried to doublecross him but interrogates them before killing them. Discovers Y is a dragon. Says "oh... my bad". Wants runners to take X to Y. Or die. X and Y meet and fall in love. Wants runners to be briedsmaids. Runners confused by this dragonish concept of "wove", sells story to tabloid press. X and Y stomps on press, then runners. The end!

Alternatively it could turn out that the all of the events of the Awakening haven't actually occurred. In fact, some time around the year 2050 humanity created artificial intelligence and had major problems with it. There was a war, the AIs won, and plugged all of humanity into this great big honking computer network called the Array.

The Sixth World is in fact nothing but an opiate to keep people calm while they are batteries for the AIs.

The first sourcebook will be fantastic, offering amazing possibilities for stories and style, if a somewhat wooden protagonist. Further sourcebooks however show a deterioration in story until eventually the water is totally muddied by lame pseudo-mystical/religious references and ultimately one of the worst anti-climaxes in history.

For the record, yes it was a good initial plot, but my god did they lack follow through.

A group of elite runners are hired for the unwilling extraction of Angus, a brilliant troubleshooter who works for an extraterritorial non-profit corporation.
It won't be easy, because although Angus hates guns he has no qualm about using bombs and poision gas and he could potentially make a workable MBW4 out of a pack of chewing gum and some paper clips.

Runners are hired by the Sioux nation to help with a problem with two awakened bears in some of their recreational nature parks. These bears are not dangerous but are hypersmart and have eluded attempts by the Wildcats to stop them from stealing packed lunches from visitors.

The Wildcats have a fearsome reputation but it has been decided by someone above the military to bring in someone who can think outside the box. The Souix nation's rangers aren't gonna like this.

Don't you mean pic-a-nic.

exit, stage right.

McKiver? I thought you meant Dr Who

Not unless the Doctor was ever played by Richard Dean Anderson.

An eccentric architect/mage hires a group of runners to retrieve an electronic box from a firehouse in New York. They are told nothing about this box except for the fact that it draws an enormous amount of power from the NYC grid and they are attach it to a very expensive and powerful portable generator before attempting to move it. Should the box be turned off the results would be very bad and the runners would not be paid.

This box is actually the only known working mundane technological device capable of containing spirits of all sorts. The patents alone would be worth a trillions if it could be reverse engineered. However, it currently contains several hundred ghost, spirits, and elementals of various types and strengths (including some of the nastiest free spirits ever to materialize on the physical plane). Should the containment fail whoever is around will have quite a mess on his hands.

The client intends to step down the power to the containment field just enough that he can draw off the essence of the more powerful spirits trapped inside and use it to open a pathway to the metaplane known as Gozaria, and summon forth Gozer the Gozarian (aka Gozer the Traveler, aka Gozer the Destructor) to destroy the world.

I'm still hoping for some kind of anti-ghost/spirit electrogun to be developed in a cannon companion update. Man would that ever be cool.

First you have to steal the only extant copt of Tobin's Spirit Guide from the Atlantean Foundation.