Grinder
Apr 8 2005, 09:53 AM
QUOTE (Nikoli) |
Heh, I've actually seen and thumbed through a Japanese phrase book that provided entries with categories like "If you hear this, walk away slowly and politely.", and "Get out of there immediately" and included various phrases for locating prostitutes and strip clubs. Seems like a handy book to have for most runners. |
As if most runners would avoid contact with prositutes or walk off a strib bar!
hermit
Apr 8 2005, 10:51 AM
Or just politely walk away when they're called names, for that matter.
Grinder
Apr 8 2005, 11:16 AM
Maybe the pacifistic vegan snake shamans would do so. But who plays one?
hermit
Apr 8 2005, 11:28 AM
A friend of mine played a pacifist hippie dove shaman once. The character was just too unfit to run the shadows. She's an NPC now, and the party's primary magical healer.
Anyway, guess that makes for at least one who tried, eh?
Crimsondude 2.0
Apr 8 2005, 03:44 PM
QUOTE (Vuron) |
If population growth rates etc remain as predicted it's quite simple to assume that more and more americans might evnetual speak english as a second language. |
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That's just... You're wrong. Most Hispanic immigrants (who make up a minority of the population) become English-dominant or -only by the second or third generation. Many who are native born are also much more like to know no Spanish or little Spanish than no English or ESL. Their parents don't want them left behind because speaking Spanish is seen as a stigma to a lot of people across the racial/ethnic divide, especially in California and the border states.
QUOTE (mfb) |
my basic point is that the SR chargen and character advancement system is not intended to recreate real people. in real life, some people simply learn and do more than other people--all men are not actually created equal, despite what my country's constitution says. the fact that most runners are only bilingual isn't a flaw in the system; it's just an artifact of how RPG systems have to work. |
In agreeing with you, I want to add this:
Chargen assumes X number of BP (or equivalent distribution of your PC's life based on the priority system). It is the accumulation of all learned skills, attributes, resources, etc. to the instant in which a PC is "born."
If I wanted to make a "Crimsondude" PC with 125 BP who was "born" at the instant of this post being left, I would take into consideration the fact that while I get (Int * 1.5) language points and (Int * 5) knowledge points to design myself. Assuming I had an Int of 4 (I'm a little smarter than your average bear), I'd get 6 LS pts. and 20 KS pts. which (as far as language goes) would be spent insofar as I'd blow 5 pts. on English, and 3 more pts. to make my (R/W) skill equal my speaking skill since I write a great deal better than I speak. Well, there goes my 6 lang. pts. and 2 knowledge pt. However, I'm also a proficient Spanish speaker, and so I'd spend 3 pts. on Spanish, and add 2 pts. to boost my (R/W) to 3 since I read and write Spanish better than I speak it. That's all my language skill pts. and 7 knowledge skill pts., which leaves me 13 pts. to expend on all of the acumulated academic, background, interest, performance/artistic, familiarity, sixth (fifth, really), and street skills I've learned over my lifetime.
Now, whether I am comfortable applying those remaining 14 free KS pts. to various skills is a bit difficult because the description of, for example, a 5 in Political Science seems to me to be the equivalent of my B.A. in Political Science. However, when taken in context that skills over 6 are supposed to be top- notch and the disparity between 5 and 6 goes from "Educated" to "Mastered."
Of course, they also think all LS employees, even the secretary, should have a 3 or 4 (4 for officers) in Pistols as a requirement of the hiring process to meet the criteria listed in Lone Star that I or [omitted] could probably meet with minimal training (skill 2) because we've fired pistols a handful of times between us.
On the other hand, maybe I want to have more languages because I am some badass cunning linguist who grew up being fluent in umpteen languages because I grew up overseas (which, btw, stinks of bullshit stereotyping to me. I met plenty of people in Europe who spoke only 1 language or 2 with the second as well as I speak Spanish (maybe), and a couple who spoke three (two being in the same language "family"), and 1 person with a Ph.D in English Lit. The world is not that one-dimensional).
To make such a PC, you throw more KS or AS points into the mix with your free (Int * 1.5) LP to make your cunning linguist. How hard is it to understand this?
Also recall that it is physically more difficult to learn another language as an adult than as a child, and yet that's not really taken into account in the rules. Apparently, they're already too hard and complex.
Grinder
Apr 9 2005, 05:31 PM
QUOTE (hermit) |
A friend of mine played a pacifist hippie dove shaman once. The character was just too unfit to run the shadows. She's an NPC now, and the party's primary magical healer.
Anyway, guess that makes for at least one who tried, eh? |
Did the player thought this character would work? I mean being usuable as a runner?
Toshiaki
Apr 12 2005, 02:01 AM
QUOTE (Fortune) |
QUOTE (mfb @ Apr 7 2005, 04:18 AM) | if i were going to fix it, i guess i'd do it with an edge. Multilingual; 2, 4, or 6 points; each level adds 4 language points (enough to be fluent in a single extra language). |
Ah, the dreaded Cunning Linguist Edge!
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Wow, all this time and only one comment about this pun.
mfb
Apr 12 2005, 08:44 AM
that's because sometimes, if you don't think about things, they can't hurt you.
Vuron
Apr 12 2005, 01:55 PM
Note I didn't say that ESL people would be the majority but rather that there would be increasing numbers of them in the future (especially if you buy into the Balkanization of Shadowrun). I figure with Aztechnology taking over Aztlan there might be increases in populations displaced into the former US. If you assume that China, India and Europe were ravaged by conflicts there might be increases from those areas as well. Finally in CFS you have areas where Japanese might be considered the official language.
I'm not saying that the vast majority of North America will be bilingual and certainly not majority ESL but the development of multilingual slang and pidgin tongues might help the various populations get along better. Yes Cityspeak would likely be dominant only in big multiethnic cities but it would still be useful.
Fortune
Apr 12 2005, 02:35 PM
QUOTE (mfb) |
that's because sometimes, if you don't think about things, they can't hurt you. |
If it hurts, you just ain't doing it right.