yes there is a couple of subs in the companion is there any more somewhere?

How many do you need?

And how freakish will they be, judging from the ones in the companion.

well, there is a shortage of elven subraces

4 elf metavariants, you forgot the one in Cyberpirates!

You're right. But aren't they just Shadowtalk? I can't even remember their name. And Isn't CyberPirates! SR2. I don't recall any mention of them in SR3.

They've got stats in the back of Cyberpirates! Allergy to (spices) or something. As for SR2...

...waitaminute, don't the Mimis of AUstralia count as metavariants?

Ice Pirates?

Wood Elves seem to be a metavariant waiting to happen. They don't seem too far-fetched (cough, satyr) and would fit in nicely with nature campaigns/runs. NAN tribal types.

Centaurs are already mentioned as being sentient creatures and in SR canon literature, so I'd vote that they could technically be playable. I jokingly brought them up once in a thread, to which most people thought it wasn't such a good idea. One of the interesting things that came about in that thread though, was that they could probably be used as a weapons platform.

Aren't there some lizardmen that used to be in Earthdawn? Not that I think we need them necessarily, but it seems like it would make sense to pull some of the playable races from ED if anything.

Well, didn't trolls, orks, elves and the rest of the crazy metavariants also not survive the down cycle?

Obsidimen aren't expressed from humans, supposedly neither are windlings or t'skrang, though there's been some debate concerning the latter about both that and their survival.

No, they all developed from elves which had been the first race created by the GD to serve them. One day wayyyy back in the past the elves broke free and somehow the other races were there. It's early in the morning, so this may not be 100% correct.

T'skrang and Obsidiman can't exist in the current (2070) maigc level. Windlings are there: in the paranormal animals of europe they're mentioned, called sprites iirc.

Well, there's also the theory that...


But that's just a theory.

Why does that remind me of some of the creation fluff from WoD?

I couldn't say, never played WoD.

Because it's a bit like some of the Creation fluff from WoD...sorta, kinda, maybe.

It's hard for mythical creation stories to avoid having elements in common, especially if they're the mythical creation stories for some bunch of random arrogant ubar-NPCs.
(That's not to say I don't like the ED creation myth-thing...I just don't buy it. There's no reason for Dragons to have the straight dope on the origin of intelligent life any more than humanity does...IMO)

True, but I was thinking more of the WoD links (old version, haven't cracked any of the new stuff open) between the Wyld, the Weaver, and the Wyrm. How they are aspects of the same being, yet they are locked in a struggle for domination.

Oh, _that_ creation thing...

Well, the Verjigorm-makes-people is not quite as neatly divided - Vj's WoD counterpart would be the Wyrm, while the things that came after him don't have much of a WoD counterpart.

The "Titans made the gods, the gods made man, the gods rebelled against the titans..." comes closer to the ED creation myth, I think.

Seems that its true, though.

I've always wondered if the t'skrang had more to do with dragons than with humanity. Aside from the obvious reptilian connection, they had their myths about the 4 Founders, particularly the dragon Syrtis. And then there's the borderline-insanity state of t'skrang adolescence, which is pretty similar to the mindlessness and aggression of dragon adolescence.