Shadow
May 26 2005, 10:13 PM
QUOTE (Jrayjoker) |
The mechanics are broken as written, don't use them as written.
People will still carry stuff in the future. personally I don't need a mechanic in my RPG to describe carrying a lot of stuff can be tiring. I will exercise common sense (not that common, I know). |
I do recall it saying that somewhere in one of the books. That you shouldn't enforce encumberance unless players are getting crazy (two assault cannons and a thousand rounds) or something like that.
mmu1
May 26 2005, 10:22 PM
QUOTE (Austere Emancipator) |
Well, they didn't really have anything in the canteens by then and I should think the mags were mostly empty, but they were still probably carrying at least 40lbs per person (RBA + aluminum oxide plates front and back ~= 24lbs), and they were about as exhausted as a human can get even before they started running. On the other hand, they got onto vehicles on National Street, so they "only" ran about 10 blocks under fire, and took a short pause (a minute? two? five?) about halfway through. |
You know, I think I remember watching the BHD DVD with commentary, and one of the guys saying that (IIRC) their vests only had front plates at the time - as a comment on the scene in which the guy who takes out his back plate to save weight.
Austere Emancipator
May 26 2005, 11:29 PM
That may well be. I don't remember reading either way in the book or any of the more factual reports of the incident, while one of the websites about RBA I ran into just now actually mentioned something along the lines of the possibility of adding back plates was included some time after the incident. Though that's still 16lbs per vest.
Edward
May 27 2005, 07:59 PM
QUOTE (Shadow) |
QUOTE (SpasticTeapot @ May 26 2005, 07:20 AM) | I think the rules are more than fair. I regularly carry about roughly 30 lbs. in my backpack, and climbing 4 flights of stairs leaves me winded. (I'm in pretty decent shape, too.) Ducking about to avoid bullets most likely has the same effect. |
When I was in the army we had to march 12 miles with a 85 pound pack, our M-16 rifle and 16 magazines, plus gear (boots, BDU's etc). I was a bit tired at the end of the march. However in combat we were always told to drop our ruck first thing (after diving for cover).
I can see carrying 30 to 50 pounds of gear on you if the weight is well distributed and not suffering a light stun wound. After 50 I would say a BOD test to ressist the stun. That way it rewards people with a greater endurance.
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Basing this on your statement about training run with pack, instruction to drop pack for combat and my own experience hiking
Carrying a pack should not impose wound penalties ever, the penalty to target numbers I will mention below will apply to the test to resist damage when walking or running for a long time.
Carrying a lot of gear is problematic, it throws of your balance thus doing so gives a TN penalty to all physical actions including the test to resist damage for continuing exertion (but not other damage resistance tests) this penalty doesn’t tot get worse with time (but it may increase the right at witch you suffer exhaustion). The penalty also applies to your quickness for determining movement rates
The penalty is weight carried / (strength * 5) round down. As an option you can halve the weight of clothing and armour and increase the weight of items not carried in a comfortable way (backpack, combat webbing, holster) buy 50%.
Of cause this is strictly a house rule but I think it solves a lot of the problems relating to solders falling over after les than a minute on a training run and showing you get an immediate improvement in performance when you drop your pack while still keeping a structure to encumbrance penalties for those that want it.
Edward
Charon
May 27 2005, 09:13 PM
Would you look at that. There are people who actually keep track of the weight of the stuff they carry in SR. If ever there was an annoyance in any RPG, it's weight watchers. I wouldn't want to be a boxer...
Anyway, plain old common sense give much better result for me.
Smiley
May 28 2005, 04:23 AM
I once calculated down to the half-kilo everything I was wearing and carrying. Common sense is a much better guideline.
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