What story?

Yup. I believe they were named after him, in fact.

Nope, which makes him utterly freaking retarded and implausible as a shadowrunner. Let's hear it for bad writing and authors who try to "be cool".

Geeking them is too harsh. Just having people roll on social tables to even deal with them is enough.

I guess that's why Stackpole mentioned in one of the stories that Kid Stealth also hat a pair of normal legs for occasions where his raptor inspired ones wouldn't be suitable ...

Not that much of "bad writing" or "implausibility" ...

The "implausibility" really comes in at the point that Doc F mentioned ...

One in the rules if someone with cyberware become a vampire, they still have the cyberware. repairing it is jsut a bitch.

Kid stealth was made to be known. Poeple hear Kid stealth's name and they know what is going down. bad shit. then you have Wolf... Who I can make in usig the rules, but i wouldn't want to.

Wolf and raven was made before shadowrun was made. So, if the characters don't fit the rules, it si the rules fault more than the story's.

Now, I could point out all the abd characters in other shadowrun novels that don't follow the rules, and are far more moronic than Kid Stealth. i could point out the bad writing in many of the novels, but as it happens I like Wolf, and raven. I enjoy Zig and Zag. Hell, I even like Val. I do not really like Kid Stealth, but I came across the story where it says something bad happened to him,and it doesn't say what happened to him. So no matter how bad stealth is, at least he is not as bad as Quick, his crew or talon and his crew. talon's Ork is basicly a gun with a body.

Or who just obviously watched too much Jurassic Park.

Feel free to point to the rules. And note that by doing so, you'll be the first person to ever find them in the myriad discussions on the topic in the past.

Yeah, everyone totally knows who Kid Stealth is, not to mention any other runner you want to pull out a novel. Yessir. In no way is your average citizen someone who just barely knows what a shadowrunner is ("they're those corporate espionage jerks like that Karl guy, right?"), no sir... they know them by name. And, as a result, it makes complete and total sense that the megacorporations are rolling brand-name implants off the manufacturing line, naming them after these totally famous runners (nevermind that the only famous runner is a poor runner) to sell to those very same individuals (as its a legal implant who's Availability of 6 is lower than many other implants that would be big in the civilian market).

What are you smoking?

Actually, everyone knows who Dr. Raven is; Kid Stealth is just one of his crew. Dr. Raven's crew doesn't work a whole lot like the typical shadowrunners, anyway; they're more do-gooders for hire, and generally legal to boot. When you consider that Dr. Raven married a Tir princess, he's not exactly the most obscure fellow out there.

As for the "Kid Stealth" legs, please show me where in M&M it says that the legs are marketed by that name. It just says that's the common street monkier for them.

I will just as soon as you show me in M&M where it says that's just the common street moniker for them. Not that either has anything to do with the fact that they're still widely available to the public.

I seem to recall someone playing a dwarf character with troll-sized cyberlegs a while ago. She was nicknamed "Gazelle" because she was such an insanely fast runner, and insanely tall. (A six-foot-five dwarf is an odd thing indeed.) Of course, the runner had the silly things custom-made (most likely by an Adept with an effective skill of 14+ in Electronics), and they cost her a fortune, but you have to admit it would be pretty cool.

Unless you're name is Carrot and you're a Copper.

"Evening, Grabthroat Shin-kicker! Evening, Mr. Stronginthearm!"

Note that they're the only cyberware with quotation marks in the name. Do I really have to give you an English grammar lesson?

As to the second point, there's plenty of widely-availiable items that seem odd. "Kid Stealth" legs aren't that much weirder than a balance tail or an obvious cyberskull, for example. Obvious cyberskulls and cybertorsos are not only just as availiable, they're cheaper than "Kid Stealth" legs.

Well, Let's get into small circile fame. Tell me have you heard of Gioia ,Slam or ladytron? They are rather famous, and yet i don't think you know who they are. Sure you could look them on google, but that is not the point. if you did not hear about these names form me,i don't think you would have ever heard of these names. Is that a bad thing, no. But it doesn't mean they don't have big names.

Kid Stealth could have a big enough for his legs, and in line of work that those who want his legs would know about him. After all not everyone is going to get them. Even those people who are willing to cut their own legs off to replace them with cyber legs, aren't always going to go all out. So we have a small group of people who can get these thing, and small group that want to. We are left with an even smaller group that can do both. But even with that out of the way, you have to remember that Kid Stealth was made before the "kid stealth" legs were made. The character wasn't thought up as a gimmick to add new cyberware tot he game. the cyberware was added to the game as gimmick because people thought the character was cool. Now Doc, you can whine and complain about how the flavor rules aren't prefect for this piece of cyberware, and i can point out how they placed the califonian central valley about 200 miles to far east. See, in your case you don't like the flavor, in my case they just couldn't be bothered with looking at a fucking map.

Still waiting for you to show me where it says its just a street name in M&M. <whistles while he waits for the non-existant rules quotation>

Yes, and its largely ridiculous that most of those exist as well. Your point? Or are you going to continue on with your asinine "two wrongs DO make a right!!!" mentality here?

A big enough what for his legs?

We're talking about brand name merchandise here that's not limited to the shadows (since when do megacorporations mass-produce implants that would only be available to the itsy-bitsy-teeny-weeny shadowrunner market, and then only to an itsy-bitsy-teeny-weeny miniscule portion of that ridiculously small group?). I'm not saying Kid Stealth isn't infamous within runner circles, I'm saying no runner is famous enough to have a custom-piece of widely-available cyberware branded after him (which is a problem with the implant in the first place -- that it *is* widely available and mass-produced). The fact that it's one of the ONLY implants in the entire game to have a brand name label just makes it that much more ridiculous.

The naming of it is just a small part of its stupidity.

Errr... Are you arguing against all obvious cyberware? Cybertorsos and cybertails are a staple of cyberpunk. Obvious, disfiguring chrome. If you don't like it, why are you playing Shadowrun?