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Kagetenshi
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Proposed changes:

1) The Astral Form

When a projecting mage leaves his or her body, they lose contact with it entirely. Damage suffered by the body is not felt by the projecting mage, nor does damage to the astral form appear on the body. When an injured astral form returns to the body, the damage incurred by the astral form expresses on the body in a dramatic fashion—likewise, damage incurred by the body is immediately transferred to the astral form upon recombination. A body may die, leaving the projecting mage stranded in astral space, or the astral form may die leaving a functioning shell with no higher brain function.

The astral form does not feel pain, though astral injuries do affect operation.

2) The nature of Essence

Essence is an attribute of the astral form, not the body. As such, a mage whose body has died will run out of Essence and die in a few hours.

Cyberware and drug use can cause damage to Essence, which is expressed on the astral form. For example, a mage with a cyberarm may appear either wholly armless or with a shriveled and horribly damaged arm on the astral. Full-borg mages are truly a horrific sight on the astral.

This damage to the astral form does not, curiously enough, impede functioning.

3) The permeability of living beings In light of the strength of arguments against it, Proposal 3 has been withdrawn.

Complex organisms act as barriers to astral forms, and cannot be passed through. As a rough guideline, most macroscopic organisms are impenetrable—some exceptions (like Proteans) exist.

Ladies and gentlemen, start your flamewars. Opinions? Other areas that need to be addressed here?

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- Kagetenshi   Astral Space, Essence, and the Awakened   Aug 25 2005, 05:21 AM
- - Sabosect   How about how Essence and Mana interact?   Aug 25 2005, 05:26 AM
- - Kagetenshi   Expand on what you mean? (For those keeping score...   Aug 25 2005, 05:34 AM
- - SirBedevere   I think that these are changes that needed making....   Aug 25 2005, 09:13 AM
- - Ryu   I propose reducing the problem of cybered magician...   Aug 25 2005, 11:22 AM
- - Dawnshadow   I don't like the astral damage expressing sudd...   Aug 25 2005, 11:47 AM
- - Sharaloth   I don't like 3, and I don't like 1. 2 is o...   Aug 25 2005, 03:55 PM
- - SFEley   QUOTE 1) The Astral Form When a projecting mage le...   Aug 25 2005, 06:57 PM
- - SFEley   QUOTE (Sharaloth)A mage being unable to pass easil...   Aug 25 2005, 07:04 PM
- - Kagetenshi   I just wanted to say that there's a lot here I...   Aug 25 2005, 07:11 PM
- - Sabosect   QUOTE (Kagetenshi) Expand on what you mean? (For ...   Aug 25 2005, 07:38 PM
- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (SFEley) QUOTE (Sharaloth)A mage being unabl...   Aug 25 2005, 08:05 PM
- - SFEley   QUOTE (hyzmarca) You wouldn't have to resist d...   Aug 25 2005, 08:14 PM
- - Nyxll   QUOTE (Sabosect) QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Aug 25 2...   Aug 25 2005, 08:24 PM
- - Sharaloth   QUOTE (SFEley) I don't think so. Again, it...   Aug 25 2005, 09:12 PM
- - Nyxll   QUOTE (Sharaloth) Astral Projection a difficult ta...   Aug 25 2005, 09:19 PM
- - Sharaloth   Not doing damage is irrelevant, as I never said it...   Aug 25 2005, 10:00 PM
- - Catsnightmare   Personally I think none of the above rulings need ...   Aug 25 2005, 10:49 PM
- - Kagetenshi   It is already broken. Just try to find a logic beh...   Aug 25 2005, 11:34 PM
- - John Campbell   QUOTE (SFEley)QUOTE (Sharaloth)A mage being unable...   Aug 25 2005, 11:39 PM
- - Herald of Verjigorm   1) A full disconnect would make it nearly impossib...   Aug 25 2005, 11:56 PM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE Also, Though I have no real problems with 2,...   Aug 27 2005, 07:11 PM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Aug 25 2005, 12:21 AM) 2)...   Aug 27 2005, 07:25 PM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Aug 25 2005, 12:21 AM) 3)...   Aug 27 2005, 07:36 PM
- - Conskill   QUOTE The fundamental issue being addressed here i...   Aug 27 2005, 08:31 PM
- - Sharaloth   QUOTE (Kagetenshi) QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Aug 25...   Aug 27 2005, 11:24 PM
- - hahnsoo   How about this: The ability for a living thing to ...   Aug 28 2005, 12:04 AM
- - Taran   QUOTE (Sharaloth)Astral scouting is exactly as it ...   Aug 30 2005, 05:13 AM
- - Kagetenshi   Proposal #3 has fallen to the arguments against it...   Aug 30 2005, 05:14 AM
- - lorthazar   I'm always amazed how people can take somethin...   Aug 30 2005, 02:02 PM
- - Kagetenshi   That's based on a false extrapolation of rulin...   Aug 30 2005, 02:08 PM
- - lorthazar   No, it is based off reality. If something is solid...   Aug 30 2005, 02:18 PM
- - SFEley   QUOTE (lorthazar) No, it is based off reality. If ...   Aug 30 2005, 02:23 PM
- - Kagetenshi   The problem we were trying to address was that thi...   Aug 30 2005, 02:26 PM
- - Shockwave_IIc   QUOTE (Kagetenshi)Proposed changes: 1) The Astral...   Aug 30 2005, 05:46 PM
- - Taran   QUOTE (lorthazar)No, it is based off reality. If s...   Aug 30 2005, 11:44 PM
- - hyzmarca   This may seem like a silly idea, but I will offer ...   Aug 31 2005, 01:18 AM
- - Link   On the idea of the frosted plane of glass, the ast...   Aug 31 2005, 02:35 AM
- - Crusher Bob   Another bit to worry about is you can hear spoken ...   Aug 31 2005, 02:46 AM
- - Eyeless Blond   Well, my 2 cents: Option 1&2 is a whole lot o...   Aug 31 2005, 03:33 PM
- - Fortune   Sorry, but I have to agree with Eyeless (and other...   Aug 31 2005, 04:21 PM
- - Kagetenshi   I'll have to think on Eyeless' suggested e...   Aug 31 2005, 04:32 PM
- - Juggernaut125   I'm with the group that says that these rules ...   Aug 31 2005, 05:18 PM
- - Eyeless Blond   QUOTE (Kagetenshi) I'll have to think on Eyele...   Sep 2 2005, 04:42 PM
- - Eyeless Blond   *bump* and... As long as we're thinking of ch...   Sep 12 2005, 03:46 PM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Eyeless Blond @ Sep 12 2005, 10:46 AM)...   Sep 12 2005, 03:54 PM
- - hahnsoo   QUOTE (Kagetenshi) QUOTE 2a) Er, we ARE getting r...   Sep 12 2005, 04:29 PM
- - Eyeless Blond   QUOTE (Kagetenshi)QUOTE (Eyeless Blond @ Sep ...   Sep 12 2005, 04:38 PM
- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (Kagetenshi) QUOTE 1) Change "Detection...   Sep 12 2005, 05:40 PM
- - Kagetenshi   I misunderstood the implication, having forgotten ...   Sep 12 2005, 05:43 PM
- - Nyxll   QUOTE For clarity's sake this sounds like a go...   Sep 12 2005, 06:37 PM
- - Eyeless Blond   Oh, hey 5) SPELL RANGES! Can't believe I...   Sep 12 2005, 06:46 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Elaborate? I don't like the idea of giving sp...   Sep 12 2005, 07:00 PM
- - Eyeless Blond   Well there's a few issues here: A) casting at...   Sep 12 2005, 07:05 PM
- - Nyxll   QUOTE (Kagetenshi) Elaborate? I don't like th...   Sep 12 2005, 08:10 PM
- - Kagetenshi   So your opinion is to use the higher of the two en...   Sep 12 2005, 09:12 PM
- - Nyxll   QUOTE (Kagetenshi) So your opinion is to use the h...   Sep 12 2005, 10:22 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Here's a question for you, then… what about el...   Sep 12 2005, 10:32 PM
- - Sharaloth   Elemental manipulations and the Levitate spell do ...   Sep 12 2005, 10:49 PM
- - Deamon_Knight   Two thoughts: IIRC, magic doesn't travel th...   Sep 13 2005, 12:20 AM
- - Kyoto Kid   Eliminate Magic Loss from Deadly wounds. This nev...   Sep 13 2005, 09:03 PM
- - Catsnightmare   I agree with this a little. No magic loss from De...   Sep 13 2005, 11:30 PM
- - Kyoto Kid   To elaborate on this, it would be a huge benefit t...   Sep 14 2005, 09:12 PM
- - Chance359   5) Spell ranges: Spell ranges should be subject t...   Aug 25 2006, 06:55 AM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Chance359) 5) Spell ranges: Spell ranges s...   Aug 25 2006, 10:49 PM
- - Chance359   5) On page 86 of MitS, it gives a brief descriptio...   Aug 27 2006, 11:42 AM
- - Bodak   I missed this thread during my sojourn. Yay for ne...   Aug 27 2006, 07:27 PM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Bodak @ Aug 27 2006, 02:27 PM) So how ...   Aug 27 2006, 07:46 PM
- - Bodak   When I first joined DS back on the old site I put ...   Aug 27 2006, 08:31 PM
- - Kagetenshi   @#$%#$@$ing hell… Maybe it was SR2...   Aug 27 2006, 11:00 PM
- - Bodak   My interpretation when I'd read the books befo...   Aug 28 2006, 09:52 PM
- - Sphynx   My apologies for the late reply, I'm still pla...   Dec 12 2006, 11:04 AM
- - nezumi   QUOTE (Sphynx @ Dec 12 2006, 06:04 AM) We als...   Feb 2 2007, 06:54 PM
- - nezumi   To again respond to my own comment... I feel like...   Feb 2 2007, 07:15 PM
- - Herald of Verjigorm   Spells: a: yes c: what's the issue? e: Grimoir...   Feb 2 2007, 09:55 PM
- - Kyoto Kid   ...Seems the consensus is in favour of dropping th...   Feb 3 2007, 08:19 AM
- - Sphynx   QUOTE Astral & Essence A) Astral scouting is o...   Feb 3 2007, 09:04 AM
- - Garrowolf   I guess I will try and confuse the issue. If you ...   Feb 3 2007, 10:32 AM
- - Herald of Verjigorm   QUOTE (Garrowolf) Add little strange spirits that ...   Feb 3 2007, 02:21 PM
- - nezumi   QUOTE (Herald of Verjigorm)c: what's the issue...   Feb 3 2007, 02:35 PM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Kyoto Kid @ Feb 3 2007, 03:19 AM) ...S...   Feb 3 2007, 04:00 PM
- - Herald of Verjigorm   QUOTE (nezumi @ Feb 3 2007, 09:35 AM) I like ...   Feb 3 2007, 05:08 PM
- - Sphynx   QUOTE QUOTE I'm sorry. What's the issue? ...   Feb 3 2007, 08:14 PM
- - Sphynx   QUOTE (Kagetenshi) QUOTE (Sphynx)How about the one...   Feb 3 2007, 08:18 PM
- - Kagetenshi   I really don't see geasa as being core—can I h...   Feb 3 2007, 08:32 PM
- - nezumi   Sphynx, just to be clear, you'd be fine with s...   Feb 3 2007, 11:37 PM
- - Herald of Verjigorm   Ok, talismans must be prominent and uncommon. Any...   Feb 4 2007, 03:56 AM
- - Sphynx   YesNezumi, I'm ok with it being Sensory and In...   Feb 4 2007, 08:52 AM
- - Sphynx   Side Note, we should come up with what is 'Sen...   Feb 4 2007, 09:18 AM
- - nezumi   The problems with geas, going sample geas at a tim...   Feb 4 2007, 02:17 PM
- - Sphynx   Hmmm, I see where you're coming from. My own ...   Feb 4 2007, 03:12 PM
- - Darkest Angel   QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Aug 25 2005, 06:21 AM) 2)...   Mar 4 2007, 01:07 AM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Darkest Angel)Totally disagree with this, e...   Mar 4 2007, 02:32 AM
- - Gerzel   The thing I got with Astral scouting is that A. Yo...   Mar 4 2007, 04:12 AM
- - Darkest Angel   QUOTE (Kagetenshi) Does anyone see a way to resol...   Mar 4 2007, 09:58 AM
- - Herald of Verjigorm   QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Mar 3 2007, 09:32 PM) Ec ...   Mar 4 2007, 12:28 PM
- - nezumi   I believe the canon explanation is basically a mix...   Mar 4 2007, 01:31 PM
- - Sphynx   Well, my personal belief is that your Astral is co...   Mar 5 2007, 08:05 AM
- - nezumi   It did occur to me that that option is possible. ...   Mar 5 2007, 03:00 PM
- - Random Voices   It seems that this is the only magic thread coveri...   Mar 7 2007, 03:03 PM
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