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As much as I'm disappointed with many of the rules and concepts in SR4, some of the gear has merit. Indeed, some of the gear not only has merit but is unavailable in SR3.

It's time to change that. Propose pieces of gear from SR4 you want in SR3R and we'll hash out rules for them. Keep in mind that nothing's likely to be finalized here until all of the rules relevant to the gear are sorted out, but it'll give something to do while letting ideas stew on other areas of the system. Note that I'm not as concerned about getting the exact same item as I am about achieving a similar effect (for instance, Item 1 below uses an Autosoft in SR4, while I don't much care if it does or not in SR3R).

1) Smart Firing Platform (SR4 page 311)

A portable tripod with a drone brain and combat autosoft costing ¥2,000. Allows for a 180-degree firing arc (maybe too generous? Makes bookkeeping easier, though I'm still inclined to go with 120 or so) with 60-degree elevation (should probably reduce this as well—for reference, vehicle turrets get 45-degree elevation, 75 with AA capability). Any gun can be put on top, though it needs to be smartlinked.

Any thoughts on how to do this? I'd like to keep the price for the platform itself low, under ¥10k if possible.

2) Miniwelder (SR4 page 327)

Granted this one's not so much from SR4. Proposal: take the tool laser eye-mod, reduce the price, slap a conceal rating and a weight on it and call it external. By canon you can only get tool lasers for your eyes.

Maybe it's all a plot to help Ares sell cybereyes.

Any thoughts? Other gear requests?

~J

[mmu1]

[Kagetenshi]

Hmm… this is true, I guess that wouldn't be a problem.

I'll try making a mockup with a heavily-edited version of the vehicle construction rules.

~J

[Deamon_Knight]

Kage

Look at Rigger 3 p.175

Ares Arms Sentry II

[Kagetenshi]

Yep, I know it's there. Issues:

Body 2, nominal weight 150 kilos. Maybe that's Troll-portable, but it sure ain't man-portable.

Cost: ¥43,500.

Uses a turret, which requires significant tinkering to swap the weapons into and out of. No snap on, deploy, and go.

Still a good guideline, though.

~J

[Deamon_Knight]

My bad, perhaps a bod 1 variant of some sort?

[Kagetenshi]

Yeah, I'm working on that.

I've got a basic idea of where I'd be going with this, but it doesn't fit into my desired price/capability point. I'll finish up and post the expensive variant and, unless there's a groundswell of support for "disposable" turrets, just propose the cheap version to my group as a houserule.

~J

[Fortune]

Not something new, but I like the way Orthoskin works in SR4. It is actually a useful implant, as opposed to the craptacularly useless piece of garbage it is in SR3.

[Ryu]

Sentry system: Fields of Fire, pg. 46

Still over your budget, but very cost-effective. Adjust to your hearts desire.

[BitBasher]

[Fortune]

It is rather weak compared to Dermal Sheathing. It rocks in SR4 (+1 per level (up to +3) to Ballistic and Impact Armor)

[sapphire_wyvern]

The PJSS Elephant Rifle. I don't recall seeing that in SR3, although I suppose I might have overlooked it. Looking at the damage codes, it looks like it should probably be about 12D, 14D for both barrels at once (short burst rules!). No integral accessories. 2(b) ammo. SS fire mode. 1 point of integral RC.

The Monofilament Chainsaw (page 327). Not so hot as a weapon (basically a very clumsy way to deal slightly-better-than Predator damage in melee), but by golly it's good for getting through doors. Assuming AP maps more-or-less onto Power and damage maps more-or-less onto Damage Level, I'd say: TN+2 when wielded as a melee weapon (using the Chainsaws skill, if it exists in SR3R). 10S damage against most targets. 20D vs barriers & objects.

[Sphynx]

Concealability of all tech needs serious re-working. Even with the erratas that came far too late, things are still 90's bulky. Phones and computers should be so streamlined that they fit into the frame of your glasses, and so integrated into people that there's no such thing as a person without it. :P Ie: much lower MP (and thus computer) costs. ;)

[MYST1C]

[KarmaInferno]

For the smart firing platform I adapted a "generic" body 1 walking drone, which has enough capacity for some targeting upgrades and a single firmpoint that can take up to a LMG.

Called em GunPods. Even had one perched on the shoulder of the Troll team mate on occasion. Was a way for my rigger character to be immediately involved in runs even while in his suspension tank back in the battle van some distance away.


-karma

[tisoz]

<damn, double post>

This post has been edited by tisoz: Dec 12 2006, 10:06 PM

[tisoz]

I'd like to see the stuff from pages 324 and 325, glasses, contact lenses, goggles, etc. with the various vision enhancements as well as earbuds and hearing enhancements.

[Wounded Ronin]

I think we just need tactical illuminators for your pistol.

I once wrote up rules for those, too.

http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?show...luminator&st=25

[Eismann]

[MYST1C]

[nezumi]

Wow, this thread took a long time to collate... Most of the comments are from other threads and it relates to equipment in general, not JUST SR4 stuff.

I've been collecting notes. Here they are:

Equipment
A) Armor stacking/encumbrance based off strength or body, not quickness
B) Cyberware costs need to be brought in line, especially comm gear, cyberlimbs, headware memory (see prices below)
C) Better encumberance rules
1 Replace weight with 'encumbrance index' to represent weight & mass. Makes things like webbing more useful, since things need pockets.
2 Concealability needs to be reworked simultaneously
D)Better drug rules (see Nezumi's drug rules below)
E) Permitting system should make more sense - make a broad 'pistols' permit with a flat price, plus permits for anything used by corp security forces (as opposed to true military hardware)
1 No permits required for clubs and knives
F) Surgery rules in general should be kinder and allow for a $1,000 datajack installation at the local mall
1 Essence hole is automatic, not an 'option'
G) Some equipment is 'common' and used cost is marked down to 25% (chipjack, cyberears, eyes, datajack, subvocal mic, telephone, cyberlimbs, autoinjector, biomonitor system, handblade, handrazors, smartlink, spurs, cyberskates)
H) Make cyberlimbs more useful
1 Reduce prices and essence cost
2 Automatically have ballistic & impact armor of 2/2, default strength and quickness of racial maximum, -1 recoil compensation, two legs count as having hydraulic jacks of rating 1. Any further value is in addition to this
I) Add equipment
1 latex mask
2 monofilament chainsaw
3 tool laser/mini-welder
4 fiber optic probe (handheld & cyber)
5 smart firing platform (for stationary "drone" guns)
6 PJSS Elephant rifle (12 or 14D, SS)
7 glasses, contact lenses, goggles with vision enhancements (instead of cybereyes)
8 earbuds with hearing enhancements (instead of cyberears)
9 "colortact" color shifting contact lenses, color shifting hair, facial feature shifting cyberware
10 Tactical illuminators for pistols
11 Belt sword (flexible sword blade that can be easily concealed as a belt)
12 More Cyberpunk 2020 mods!! (I can create a list if people would like)
13 Introduce SR4 eye and ear grades
J) Fake SINs need avail and SI numbers
1 1-3 4/2 Days, 4-6 6/1 week, 6-9 8/1 month, 10+ 10/(rating)weeks, SI 2 for all ratings


Cyberware costs:

[ Spoiler ]

Cyberware suggested prices:
Chipjack: 0.2 500 nuyen
Cyberears (replacement): 0.3 1,000
Cybereyes (replacement): 0.2 500
Datajack: 0.2 500
Subvocal Microphone: 0.1 400
Telephone: 0.2 500
Headware Radio: 0.4 Rating x 500 nuyen
Radio Receiver .15 Rating * $500 nuyen
Memory MP/600 $MP*75
Cyberlimbs: use 4th edition costs?
Cyberlimb enhancements: same essence cost, 10% of listed nuyen costs
Biomoniter: 0.2 750 nuyen
Introduce SR4 ears and eyes grades
Boosted Reflexes require regular chemical maintance, work through auto-injectors
Level 1 would cost 0.4 5,200 nuyen to install and 200 a month
Level 2 would cost 0.8 10,500 nuyen to install and 500 a month
level 3 would cost 1.2 16,000 nuyen to install and 1,000 per month

Thoughts? Comments? I like everything suggested so far, especially my suggestions. They're the best.

[Taran]

I'd definitely enjoy a list of Cyberpunk 2020 stuff.

[Kagetenshi]

The thread was misnamed. For now, let it be the central repository of all new-gear ideas and all gear-altering ideas that aren't part of another basic mechanic (so, say, altering the VCR wouldn't go here). If in doubt, put it here.

I concur on the CP2020 stuff.

~J

[nezumi]

[tisoz]

How about a circa SR2 Tactical Computer?