 Fastest Mundane in the West, Survival of the Quickest |
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 Oct 15 2007, 09:41 PM
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Running Target  Group: Members Posts: 1,246 Joined: 8-June 07 Member No.: 11,869  |
What is the fastest (i.e. highest Initiative and highest IP) mundane character that you can build using standard chargen rules? A full build isn't necessary, just every non-Awakened trick you can think of to twink out Initiative and IP.
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Oct 15 2007, 09:47 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...nice challenge
Lemee see what I can cook up when I get home from work... :grinbig: [edit] <== ...just noticed I made it to the next rung woohoo! Closing in on that "Bushido Cowgirl" status... (IE is such an insult). |
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Oct 15 2007, 10:06 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,883 Joined: 16-December 06 Member No.: 10,386 |
I've done this before; you need Optimized Attribute genetech for both Reaction and Intuition along with Exceptional attribute (well, OK, I skipped Exceptional attributes and hardcapping) for one of them, and then you need a Move-By-Wire system paired with Reaction enhancers (which, unfortunately, results in less passes than you would get with Wired 2). Beyond that, about the only ways you're going to get faster is with experimenting with combat drugs, infusions and an Adrenaline Pump. Anyway, initiative is important but honestly, I wouldn't really recommend shooting for anything much higher than 12 out of chargen; it gets expensive and difficult to get much farther than that and people can still force the issue with Edge, so it's often better to invest in other areas at that point.
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Oct 15 2007, 10:06 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,246 Joined: 8-June 07 Member No.: 11,869 |
Congrats on the prime runner upgrade. What level were you before? What are the progressions?
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Oct 15 2007, 10:16 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,664 Joined: 21-September 04 From: Arvada, CO Member No.: 6,686 |
Human 0bp
Rea:8(10) 85bp Int:6 50bp Ini:18 Qualities: Genetic Hereitage (Genetic Optimization Intution) 10bp Exceptional Attribute Reaction 20bp Gear: Genetic Optimization (Reaction) 36k Wired Reflexes 2 32k Adrenaline Pump 2 60k Jazz drug Psyche drug All said and done. Base reaction of 10, intuition of 6. Kick on the adreanaline pump for +2 reaction. Take some jazz for +1 reaction +1 IP. Take some psyche for +1 int. Total with all that on is is Reaction 13 Intuition 7 for base initiative of 20 with 3 IPs. |
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Oct 15 2007, 10:19 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,883 Joined: 16-December 06 Member No.: 10,386 |
Wired Reflexes are not compatible with Reaction enhancers; you need a Move-By-Wire 1 system for that. That doesn't change the initiative total, however, you just end up with less passes. Cram and Jazz are good for the Reaction boost but not the extra passes because of the same compatibility issues; I'm pretty sure the "fastest" non-awakened chargen build is limited to 2 IPs.
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Oct 15 2007, 10:26 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,664 Joined: 21-September 04 From: Arvada, CO Member No.: 6,686 |
Reaction enhancers are compatible with all other initiative enhancers. You're right on the drugs, I just get the reaction and intuition bonuses from them not the extra pass.
Final total is 22 init w/3passes. |
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Oct 15 2007, 10:27 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,883 Joined: 16-December 06 Member No.: 10,386 |
Reaction enhancers are compatible with other forms of initiative enhancements but Wired Reflexes and Synaptic Boosters are not. Move-by-wire is the only other form of 'ware that can be combined with other stuff, and then only with Reaction Enhancers.
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Oct 15 2007, 10:28 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,664 Joined: 21-September 04 From: Arvada, CO Member No.: 6,686 |
Hmm, coulda sworn.... Well, -2 reaction then, 20 and 3passes.
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Oct 15 2007, 10:35 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,883 Joined: 16-December 06 Member No.: 10,386 |
Yeah, the SR4 corebook is a bit of a tease.
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Oct 15 2007, 11:15 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Nope. Synaptic Boosters work just fine with Reaction Enhancers. The FAQ only charges the ruling for Wired Reflexes (for no good reason). Reaction Enhancers are not Initiative Enhancers ... they enhance Reaction. |
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Oct 15 2007, 11:24 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 834 Joined: 30-June 03 Member No.: 4,832 |
By mundane, do you mean non-magical, or non-magical AND non-augmented. And for a final question, in this contest do drug effects stack? |
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Oct 15 2007, 11:43 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
..."Runner" status. I think it goes: Target => Moving Target => Running Target => Shooting Target => Neophyte Runner => Runner => Prime Runner => Veteran Runner => Immortal Elf (Bushido Cowgirl :grinbig:) => Dragon => Great Dragon ...haven't figured out replacement for Dragon & Great Dragon yet...but them's aways off anyway... |
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Oct 15 2007, 11:49 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
IE is the highest (as it damn well should be!), with Great Dragon and then Dragon next down the list. ;)
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Oct 15 2007, 11:54 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,883 Joined: 16-December 06 Member No.: 10,386 |
Yeah, that damnable FAQ always screws over my memory on this subject. You know, what with it making no damn sense and having little connection to other precedents set in the rules and all. :sleepy: |
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Oct 16 2007, 12:08 AM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...your kidding, In the SR food chain I would put any dragon above an IE. I'd definitely be more worried about crossing Lofie than Ehran. (...waitaminute! at least one of my characters did so already. Yeah, Dragons on top for sure.). :grinbig: |
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Oct 16 2007, 12:09 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Not happening! :D :P
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Oct 16 2007, 12:16 AM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Human 6 Natural Rea Maximum 0BP
Genetic Optimization: Reaction 45,000 :nuyen: +1 Natural Rea Maximum -0.2ESS Exceptional Attribute: Reaction 20BP +1 Natural Rea Maximum Rea 7; 60BP Chemical Gland: Cram (Constant Internal Release); 31,000 :nuyen: +1Rea +1IP -.3ESS Chemical Gland: Jazz (Constant Internal Release); 31,000 :nuyen: +1Rea +1IP -.3ESS Chemical Gland: Kamikaze (Constant Internal Release); 31,000 :nuyen: +1IP +1Bod +1Agi +2Str +1Wil, High Pain Tolerance 3 -.3ESS Chemical Gland: Novacoke (Constant Internal Release); 31,000 :nuyen: +1Rea +1Cha +1Perception, High Pain Tolerance 1 -.3ESS Reaction Enhancers 2; 20,000 :nuyen: +2REA -.6ESS (189,000 :nuyen:)/(5000 :nuyen:/BP) + 60BP = 38BP +80BP = 118BP (6+1+1) Natural Rea Max = 8 Natural Rea Max 8(3/2) Augmented Rea Max = 12 Augmented Rea Max 7 Rea + 1 + 1 + 1 + 2 = 7 + 5 = 12 Augmented Rea 1IP +1 +1 +1 = 4IP ____________________________________ 225BP Attributes 145BP 1 (2)Bod 1 (2)Agi 1 (3)Str 7(12)Rea 1 (2)Log 7 (9)Int 1 (2)Wil 1 (2)Cha Special Attributes 0BP 1 Edge 3.8 ESS Positive Qualities 30BP Exceptional Attribute: Reaction Genetic Heritage: Inspiration (High Pain Tolerance 3) Negative Qualities 0BP Active Skills 0BP Perception 0 (1) Knowledge Skills Resources 50 BP 250,000 :nuyen: -247,000 :nuyen: Bioware/Genetech Genetic Optimization: Reaction Genetic Optimization: Intuition Chemical Gland: Cram (Constant Internal Release) Chemical Gland: Jazz (Constant Internal Release) Chemical Gland: Kamikaze (Constant Internal Release) Chemical Gland: Novacoke (Constant Internal Release) Chemical Fland: Psyche (Constant Internal Release) Cyberware/Nanotech Reaction Enhancers 2 Gear Contacts Literally maxed speed with plenty left over. Constant dosage means that he will never suffer crash effects from his drugs. He probably won't live very long, however. Edit: Added Intuition Enhancement Edit: Final Version 20Int 4IP 225BP Cost 3000 nuyen left over |
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Oct 16 2007, 12:26 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,269 Joined: 18-September 06 Member No.: 9,421 |
So, how many posts does it take to move up?
Chris |
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Oct 16 2007, 12:30 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 |
uhhh... hyzmarca? highest *initiative* and IPs.
not reaction =P |
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Oct 16 2007, 12:31 AM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...well shoot & tarnation, I gotta think of alternate titles for Dragon & Great Dragon a lot sooner now. @DTFarstar: I believe it is every 500 after "Target". |
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Oct 16 2007, 12:31 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
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Oct 16 2007, 12:43 AM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Right. Fixed. 18 Init and 4IPs now.
You can't start with Reaction 8 and Intuition 6. You can't start with Reaction 8 at all, in fact. You can only have 1 stat at 6 (7 with Exceptional Attribute if you follow the FAQ) or 2 Stats at 5. The rest have to be 4 or less. One could stretch the FAQ ruling to allow 8 with genetic heritage, but that isn't canon at the moment. |
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Oct 16 2007, 01:06 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 609 Joined: 13-August 07 Member No.: 12,615 |
@hyzmarca: nice work.
I'm shooting for "Immoral Elf" status, though I doubt I'll reach it. And for the record, I don't have boobs. |
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Oct 16 2007, 01:10 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,246 Joined: 8-June 07 Member No.: 11,869 |
You posted an incomplete build??? Oh hell, now we're going to have to endure eight pages of people saying "He only has 1 Chr that means anyone can easily convince him to blow his own brains out with a Con roll!!!11", "He doesn't have any skillz that means he's a retard!!!111" , "Drugs are illegal!!!1", and "Munchkins are teh suck!!1" over and over and over and over and over. :D |
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