Full Version: System's guide to paranoia
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Shhh, you aren't allowed to refer to sigs. They are among The Unmentionables™, or so i've been told in the past.  |
My apologies, I'm new around here.
*ducks to avoid the Newb Destroyer Orbital Cannon*
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Wait....it won't matter that I'm under my desk, will it?
-Ravennus, awaiting extermination for violation of Article 10, Paragraph 321
| QUOTE (Nikoli @ Sep 22 2005, 09:48 AM) |
| You are forgetting RFID's in the casings (possibly the shells) that allow them to track down to the store for each and every round pumped out the back of the factories. They could probably track to the buyer for said ammo, which means if Ares wants to keep up it's illegal arms trade to runners, it will have to arrange for thefts and subsequent tag burning |
Do you really think the weapon specialist or any other seller in the black marcket will sell ammo with a rfid tag IN EACH ROUND ? It would be very dangerous for them.
I don't think by the way you can ask: Hi man, I want 3 bullets. Buy a box.
We had a very nice point during the discussion:
One poster thought something is NOT possible and someone else proved that it is.
Now port that to 2070.
I shoot guy A, I assume my gun is hot now. I toss it, get a new one.
Can I be sure that the evidence I leave behind can NOT be used against me?
Can I be sure that some AAA crop isnt just developing the tools to link me to this?
I cant, so toss it.
I like to watch the CSI stuff on TV. Realistic or not, this is pretty regular stuff they use there.
Go to something like "Cold Case" where they reopen 10 year old cases and suddenly get a hit on something with tech that just wasnt there 10 years ago.
It may not be profitable to do so, specially in 2070, but someone might be hacked off enough to do so.
I dont want to be staring down that barrel.
Running is about invisibility. Each and every thing that keeps your profile low(er) is helpful. May it cost a ton, may it be a pain ... getting shot costs more and is more pain, too.
Dont see the rules for a text like this so much, think in char for it. Do you, Mr. Runner, want to take that chance if its your skin on the line? I dont.
One poster thought something is NOT possible and someone else proved that it is.
Now port that to 2070.
I shoot guy A, I assume my gun is hot now. I toss it, get a new one.
Can I be sure that the evidence I leave behind can NOT be used against me?
Can I be sure that some AAA crop isnt just developing the tools to link me to this?
I cant, so toss it.
I like to watch the CSI stuff on TV. Realistic or not, this is pretty regular stuff they use there.
Go to something like "Cold Case" where they reopen 10 year old cases and suddenly get a hit on something with tech that just wasnt there 10 years ago.
It may not be profitable to do so, specially in 2070, but someone might be hacked off enough to do so.
I dont want to be staring down that barrel.
Running is about invisibility. Each and every thing that keeps your profile low(er) is helpful. May it cost a ton, may it be a pain ... getting shot costs more and is more pain, too.
Dont see the rules for a text like this so much, think in char for it. Do you, Mr. Runner, want to take that chance if its your skin on the line? I dont.
Serbitar, I just rode your System Guide to Paranoia, which I find very interesting.
I just think being to much paranoid doesn't give the change: having no RFID at all, make someone too special, with the risk to be noticed by any competent security agent.
I guess sometimes shadowrunners want to be "invisible", sometimes they just want to be "unnoticed".
I just think being to much paranoid doesn't give the change: having no RFID at all, make someone too special, with the risk to be noticed by any competent security agent.
I guess sometimes shadowrunners want to be "invisible", sometimes they just want to be "unnoticed".
Thats a good point. But the problem is, a runner just can't afford to carry any RFID. Thats why he better stay in places where people are poor and dont hav tha muchRFID.
High security areas are dangerous for runners. And I eprsonally think that the high lifestyle runner is gone in SR4. There is just no other way to stay invisible but by living in places with much less infrastructure, aka the barrens or low level areas.
High security areas are dangerous for runners. And I eprsonally think that the high lifestyle runner is gone in SR4. There is just no other way to stay invisible but by living in places with much less infrastructure, aka the barrens or low level areas.
I am pretty sure that given a certain lifestyle RFID tags will be taken out pretty quick.
CEOs cant afford something like that, either. And Daddy's little girl on her bad boys trip cant, either.
Your not automatically criminal by eliminating RFID tags, you are "just more aware".
Its like today, about everyone uses a Firewall. Maybe not the best there is, but about everyone got one, not only the ppl hiding something on their PC.
CEOs cant afford something like that, either. And Daddy's little girl on her bad boys trip cant, either.
Your not automatically criminal by eliminating RFID tags, you are "just more aware".
Its like today, about everyone uses a Firewall. Maybe not the best there is, but about everyone got one, not only the ppl hiding something on their PC.
| QUOTE (Serbitar) |
| High security areas are dangerous for runners. And I eprsonally think that the high lifestyle runner is gone in SR4. There is just no other way to stay invisible but by living in places with much less infrastructure, aka the barrens or low level areas. |
I fully agree there.
The security side got a BIG boost in SR4 and without the right cover behind your persona you got slim chances of surviving there.
The feel now is way more cyberpunk then it used to be.
| QUOTE (Serbitar) |
| High security areas are dangerous for runners. And I eprsonally think that the high lifestyle runner is gone in SR4. There is just no other way to stay invisible but by living in places with much less infrastructure, aka the barrens or low level areas. |
Remember though that High lifestyle doesn't nessasarily mean an A Zone. It can be anywhere including a Z Zone.
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| Thats a good point. But the problem is, a runner just can't afford to carry any RFID. Thats why he better stay in places where people are poor and dont hav tha muchRFID. High security areas are dangerous for runners. And I eprsonally think that the high lifestyle runner is gone in SR4. There is just no other way to stay invisible but by living in places with much less infrastructure, aka the barrens or low level areas. |
I would disagree with that statement.
Runners can easily afford to have gear with RFID tags. Its just how and where they wear that gear and for what purpose, and also how well they do their job. It also depends on the runner themselves.
High security area's are dangerouse for runners. That is true, and it has gotten slightly more dangerouse for a runner to have a high lifestyle. But then again runners never really belonged in high lifestyles to begin with for the most part. Sometimes the best way to stay invisible is to be seen. A good example of this you can see in Batman Begins with alfred's comment about people were going to start asking questions and wondering if bruce didn't start acting like a playboy billionaire. The lifestyle certainly isn't for the street sammie, or a troll, or ork, and to a lesser extent a dwarf, but put the face in that place, or the hacker, prehapse mage or adept (depending ofcourse on the style) and you can very much pull it off.
Appearances are everything. And at some point runners are probably going to run across a meet in a high security area. And not having RFID'ed gear is going to draw attention all over the place. Being in hidden mode is going to draw attention (if not get you arrested). Once you enter a high security area you're going to end up leaving a data trail, unless you want to draw security's attention theres just now way around that. If you're smart though, you've spoofed your data trail, and modded the RFID's, and packed one of the better fake SIN's you have. And hopefully you have the skills etiquette wise to pass yourself off as belonging.
Simply being invisible only works to a point. To truely be invisible you must be capable of becoming 'just another face in the crowd'. If you can't do that then well you're toast.
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| I am pretty sure that given a certain lifestyle RFID tags will be taken out pretty quick. CEOs cant afford something like that, either. And Daddy's little girl on her bad boys trip cant, either. Your not automatically criminal by eliminating RFID tags, you are "just more aware". |
CEO could definately afford to wear RFID tags, infact he may be required by his job. Is that to say he might have a set or two without them that he keeps hidden from his wife for when he goes out and haves a affair? Or a set that has altered tags for when he goes out and hires out that runner team? Ofcourse not, but he's certainly going to have lots of clothes with RFID tags. Just as people today have credit cards linked to PO boxes with slightly different names so their wives and such don't know what they're doing. Same thing with Daddy's little girl, yeah she's going to have plenty of stuff without them for a while, but she's also not likely to be hanging out in the up town places either if she's in that phase.
| QUOTE (Serbitar) |
| And I eprsonally think that the high lifestyle runner is gone in SR4. There is just no other way to stay invisible but by living in places with much less infrastructure, aka the barrens or low level areas. |
What exactly makes you think the concept of asymmetric warfare is gone just because it now requires electronic warfare to succeed? In fact, that just separates the chaff from the wheat.
| QUOTE (morlock76) |
| Your not automatically criminal by eliminating RFID tags, you are "just more aware". Its like today, about everyone uses a Firewall. Maybe not the best there is, but about everyone got one, not only the ppl hiding something on their PC. |
I don't think anybody could truly make a difference by removing the RFID tags. Increasing the private security will surely to do so but ask for a lot more.
The guy who think he has a more confidential life just because his nike haven't got could as well put some aluminium paper around his head to become invisible to all cameras.
I think a perfect runner should be able to have no RFID tag for running in the shadow, and a few, easy to wear off, to run in the light - does RFID able to be set to on/ off exists ?
By the way a firewall isn't always necessary. some of my friends don't have one - and they have a secure computer - they have no daemons listening to the outside world, no port open, they are not running their computer with an admin account. Hum no they don't use windows !
Considering that the device to toast RFIDs is illegal, it could raise some questions if you have none at all.
And BTW - there are no civilized zones without RFIDs anymore: Even the cheapest consumer goods have them.
And BTW - there are no civilized zones without RFIDs anymore: Even the cheapest consumer goods have them.
From a game design standpoint, I think they didn't think through this part very well. To be a live runner requires at least a working knowledge of all this stuff. The 'back woods shaman' character convept is completely screwed.
Admittedly, you can get some interesting contrasts of the fur wearing shaman usings a tag eraser on his recently bought burger...
You can see this odd tech divide in some of the more backward parts of developing African and Asia countries. People who don't have running water, but do have cell phones, for example.
Admittedly, you can get some interesting contrasts of the fur wearing shaman usings a tag eraser on his recently bought burger...
You can see this odd tech divide in some of the more backward parts of developing African and Asia countries. People who don't have running water, but do have cell phones, for example.
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