Full Version: Captain Chaos
The Captain may of dies but it does'nt really effeft anything in my game i always wondered what JackBNimble was.
His death made him a more human charatcer and a batter character. I loved him, and thought he was a good character but the fact that he died showed us that he was not some UBER IE..Fuck I think ti s kinda of silly to have things liek IEs in shadowrun book.I don't mean to say remove them but whyt he fuck woudl they post on shadowrun forums?
I treat it two ways: OOC, I read them and treat them as what they are, which is metatext. IC, I treat them like everyone did in the Madagascar chapter of Cyberpirates!, and I ignore them. Probably one of the more egregious examples of adding text after the fact, there are clearly two distinct conversations going on, one IC and one OOC.
But I see I failed to answer your question, which is, because due to a fluke in the reality distortion field Shadowland is probably (or is treated as if it is probably) the most accurate source of information anywhere in the Sixth World - a Wiki on steroids - and even IEs and GDs probably see the utility in reading it, and given the ego one would assume of a 5,000-10,000 year old sentient, sometimes they feel the need to post either directly (like Hestaby did in her chapter Dragons of the Sixth World) or post teaser and/or smartass comments, which isn't exactly uncommon for people to do on the Internet now, so why would it change in 60 years?
But I see I failed to answer your question, which is, because due to a fluke in the reality distortion field Shadowland is probably (or is treated as if it is probably) the most accurate source of information anywhere in the Sixth World - a Wiki on steroids - and even IEs and GDs probably see the utility in reading it, and given the ego one would assume of a 5,000-10,000 year old sentient, sometimes they feel the need to post either directly (like Hestaby did in her chapter Dragons of the Sixth World) or post teaser and/or smartass comments, which isn't exactly uncommon for people to do on the Internet now, so why would it change in 60 years?
I see your point, but put some scale and context to it. Do the truly rich and powerful of today post to internet chat rooms? Anyone remotely to the scale of those of SR? I don't think so.
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| Do the truly rich and powerful of today post to internet chat rooms? |
Comedian Robin Williams likes to play a sniper on the Battlefield 2 servers.
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| Do the truly rich and powerful of today post to internet chat rooms? Anyone remotely to the scale of those of SR? |
They would, if forums offered as much controlled intel as they do in SR.
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Comedian Robin Williams likes to play a sniper on the Battlefield 2 servers. |
I'll bet that gives him a lot of material to work with.
opie and anthony, one of them plays everquest, also ben stien's son plays everquest, there are a couple celebs that play socom, and hell, look at half of the musicians that you see on mtv when they are in thier trailers or what not, they have games and play it, it's reasonable to assume they play online also, or at least some of the time.
The rich and famous have their own boards, see aSmallWord.
| QUOTE (Liper @ Dec 31 2005, 09:34 AM) |
| opie and anthony, one of them plays everquest, also ben stien's son plays everquest, there are a couple celebs that play socom, and hell, look at half of the musicians that you see on mtv when they are in thier trailers or what not, they have games and play it, it's reasonable to assume they play online also, or at least some of the time. |
I heard rumours that musicians and even actors are normal people and so maybe interested in video games, chatting and similar stuff...
Besides: do you know how boring life on tour can become? Every musician welcomes a video game with open arms, since it let pass some oterhwise long'n'boring hours quickly.
| QUOTE (tisoz) |
| ...put some scale and context to it. Do the truly rich and powerful of today post to internet chat rooms? Anyone remotely to the scale of those of SR? I don't think so. |
Like world leaders or multi billionaires. Not some simstar of the month.
Well i guess there people to.
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| But I see I failed to answer your question, which is, because due to a fluke in the reality distortion field Shadowland is probably (or is treated as if it is probably) the most accurate source of information anywhere in the Sixth World - a Wiki on steroids - and even IEs and GDs probably see the utility in reading it, and given the ego one would assume of a 5,000-10,000 year old sentient, sometimes they feel the need to post either directly (like Hestaby did in her chapter Dragons of the Sixth World) or post teaser and/or smartass comments, which isn't exactly uncommon for people to do on the Internet now, so why would it change in 60 years? |
maybe so, but accuracy alone cant help when you have to know how to find it. kinda like hiding the wiki under a pure ip address or something and making it totaly ignored by google and others.
basicly, you have to know its there.
allso, its a nonverifiable source. if shadowland says one thing, and 3-4 news sites says a diffrent thing, what do joe wageslave belive?
only people that allready know that something strange is going on (like say experienced shadowrunners, or beings that have other information channels that verify what shadowland posts) will be likely to "trust" a source like shadowland.
and its kinda funny that you compare it to a wiki as recently the accurasy of wikipedia have been questioned. this after someone edited the profile on a person as a practical joke aimed at a friend.
basicly, information from a single, unverifiable, source is at best a rumor. at worst, outright lies.
thing is that the diffrent sourcebooks have to present stuff as facts. to try and use that info to say how good a source is in the eyes of the people inside the shadowrun world is flawed. its basicly metagaming at its finest. the player knows whats going on, but the character do not.
its kinda like trying to calculate how many shadowrunners there is in the shadowrun world, based on the number of people that play the game, as if they where all playing inside the same dimension. at best they are playing in paralell dimensions, or alternate realitys if you like.
so for the dragons and others that post on shadowland, the place is only one more source that can be used to verify the info that they allready is getting from their networks of spies, contacts, and in the case of atleast lofwyr, traffic sniffs from the matrix.
shadowland alone isnt a good source of info. but if you can find the same info there as you can find elsewhere, the chance that the info is correct increase.
To be fair, the Cap went down to Jormungandr in what amounted to a mutual death, as the fight stopped it from destroying everything.
That's what Thor did! That's a damn fine way to go out, the whole JackBNimble thing was after that.
The Captain went down fighting, he just lived a bit past the battle.
That's what Thor did! That's a damn fine way to go out, the whole JackBNimble thing was after that.
The Captain went down fighting, he just lived a bit past the battle.
Umm... sadly he didnt stop a damm thing. A massive chuck of the Denver hub went down with him.
Lets face it, he got lit the Eff up by a cascading worm. I for one morn his literary passing.
Lets face it, he got lit the Eff up by a cascading worm. I for one morn his literary passing.
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| Umm... sadly he didnt stop a damm thing. |
Well, not directly no, but then again Thor didn't kill Jormungand in time to stop it from poisoning the world either. However, without the good Captain and Shadowland's sacrifice word of the code eggs would never have gotten out and no one outside the Big Ten would know how to take down the worm - consider the consequences of that information left solely in their hands. Nah, the Captain went down doing what he did best, getting the word out, like someone says: "Cap, if you pull this off, everybody’s going to owe you.”
what better way, for man to die
than facing fearful odds
For the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his gods?
than facing fearful odds
For the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his gods?
Some lead a life of mild content:
Content may fall, as well as pride.
The Frog who hugged his lowly ditch
Was much disgruntled when it dried.
-Saki
Content may fall, as well as pride.
The Frog who hugged his lowly ditch
Was much disgruntled when it dried.
-Saki
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| As a consequence of the events, several nodes will go up in flame, leading to the death of system operators and drones, the most prominent of which is Captain Chaos himself, who spearheaded Shadowland Seattle for more than fifteen years. |
Since this is metatext, not flavor text, it's not as open to interpretation [END QUOTE]
Hrmm, Ive read through this section several times and all I got from the section was that Cap's physical body died. As did many other people who were jacked in at the time. More interesting is the next part of the text Down the Rabbit Hole which talks about how many of them became ghosts in the machine. Perhaps not uber AIs, or uber anything just a kind of spirit in the matrix. And I strongly got the impression that Cap was one of those new spirits.
Who better to act as a conscience of the matrix that Cap Chaos?
Im still curious though what JackBNimble was, I used to think it was from "another world" as in another solar system, but perhaps the Big D meant another realm of reality, ie the matrix. It seemed to me that Jack was in many ways kindof a Cheron like entity, a gatekeeper to the nether realm of a matrix styled afterlife.
Just some thoughts, peace now
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| Next up, Harlequin! |
You're so missing it. In logically progression, the next one to die is Lofwyr. Now that we're all set up to dislike him, he goes and, oh, I dunno, throws himself into a comet our something, just to save the earth.
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| So, this move toward a wireless Matrix was not motivated by a need to accomodate SR4. It was rather a will to move SR farther on the tech curve, as real life and its wireless technologies were gaining fast on SR. This was a necessary move to keep the futuristic feel in SR. |
That's another issue I have with SR4. It's a response to real world tech advancement. That might be fine and dandy if you tend to look at the SR world as a furthering of our own.
I don't though. In my mind, the SR world has nothing to do with our own from about the first page on. It's the SR world. So you want to move the world toward having a wireless matrix? Okay, so introduce it over a couple of kick ass books, and have it phased in. What happens to old tech when new tech comes in? It gets cheap, and readily available. It doesn't just dissapear (SR4). Because of things like this, SR4 comes off as hackneyed, since it makes next to no effort to logically follow SR3.
That, combined with not liking the mechanics as much...but that's been done to death.
<<edit>>meh, just ignore me. Didn't mean to try to hijack.
| QUOTE (JongWK) |
| The rich and famous have their own boards, see aSmallWord. |
...
How long until they get either
A. Hacked by someone who doesn't like the elitism
or
B. invaded by spambots,
I wonder?
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