Or just go and bind Free Spirits with Force+Spirit Energy about= 8, and get them to start whipping up the orichalcum in exchange for some periodic Karma from Joe Wageslave, which you command it to use to improve its SE until F+SE=8, and then start improving its enchanting skill.

The problem here is
1. JUST binding a force 8 free spirit. They don't grow on trees, and they will not be happy when you command them.
2. getting joe wageslave to start offering up his/her lifeforce, unless you can find some kind of weird spirit dating thing. (You can get shadowrunners to have sex with it for Karma, but only if the spirit is dikoted.)

What do you mean, "have sex with it for karma?" Does the process get the spirit to actively steal Karma, or does sex actually create it? If so, why don't shadowrunners just constantly have sex instead of risking their lives for karma?

Holy crap! did this thread ever digress.

Hey, this is a serious question. Can sex make karma, or does sex with spirits get the spirit to automatically feed off your karma?

I believe the suggestion was for a magician to "pimp out" a spirit to mundanes, who would pay for the sexual services (willingly) with Karma.

I have never read in any book in SR about banging a spirit for Karma.

Awww... there goes a possible fun new source of karma!

So, I have a question, can Adepts make Orichalcum? or is that a negative?

Yes, adepts can make orichalcum.

While, technically, Enchanting is a Magic skill, I'm wondering how many of you guys would allow Improved Ability in it (using the B/R skill costs, given that Enchanting is all about building magic items).

Oh, neet, so, Adepts can make Oricalchum. Can they do enchanting in general? Like, make a weapon focus? (assuming they have the skill) Becuase that would be pretty darn helpful.

They can make any foci they can use. So, weapon foci, centering foci, and a few foci from SOTA64.

So how much does orihalcum reduce karma costs? Each 10 grams is just 1 less karma for bonding? That's quite the gip. Did it cost less to bond them in earlier editions than SR4 or something?

How do I make orichalcum?

Step 1: Let my Magic flow strongly through My ego

Step 2: Eat much Chilli Con Carne

Step 3: <Don't ask>

Result: 1 Brick of Orichalcum

I will NEVER buy from you.

Orihalcum's a gip if you don't steal it, it seems.

Does it reduce the costs of second bonding? Does anything reduce second bonding? And how did SR3 second bondings compare to SR4 ones?

Each unit could be applied to a different effect, and I think that included second bonding. Applied to the first bonding was the stonger option, IIRC.

Only one karma per unit?

Emo

let me put it simply

each 44k of ingredients made successesx80k of orichalcum

so if ya started with 3 sets of base ingredients and 6 enchanting and a karma pool of 1, you could reasonably expect to get 15 units of orichalcum

Sell 2 for 160K to item makers

spend 132K on new ingredients to do it next time

spend 20k on High lifestyle for 2 months

and have 8k for cheap plant and similar telesma for your new focus that is already lowered in price by 13karma

note do that for 3 months of downtime and have prepaid the rend for the three months, and a fourth month, have enough to buy Dogwagon Gold service and have 19k left over

you also get 39 karma off a focus
Last time I checked for first bondingpower focus is forcex8, well 1 karma for a force 5 power focus is nice for 3 months downtime

39 units of orichalcum = karma cost for first binding reduced by 39

I thought you could only work on one unit of gold, mercury, silver, and copper at a time? If I'm wrong, then the system is so broken.

I thought you were saying you could "gain" 39 karma "by" making a focus.

nope emo
tn of the test was the number of units you were working with

now I would suggest losing a dice for every extra unit beyond the first

Were lifestyle costs the same in SR3 as they are in SR4?

And dice pool would be Magic + Alchemy? Sounds good.

Low costs more in SR4.

I'd make each unit add to the Threshold, rather than remove dice.

[e] Base Threshold of 20-Magic, 28 Days, Extended Test

Critical Gliches on any test result in destroyed materials.

So everything deflated in cost except for lifestyle? And what would the task period be? Would each net success make one extra unit of orihalcum per unit worked on? You'd make an astronomical amount of it, then, unless the task period's one week.

Vehicle costs didn't all go down, and neither did magical supplies for the most part.

I'd make the Task period 28 days, and no bonus for net successes other than maybe a percent of original materials left.

So one unit per success x units of orihalcum? That's reasonable. The thing is, it only took one month to make orihalcum; this "task period of one month" means that I'm working for multiple months.

Just how does this system of yours work, anyway?

I would use simple test

Magic+Enchanting threshold = units of gold etc used

time 28 days

result x excess success * units used

"How do you make orihalcum?"


Must...not...make...dirty comment..!

MAKE IT MAKE IT MAKE IT

Sorry, I forgot to do my own math.

Noprobs

Nowjust work out why someone with enchhanting skill would ever shadowrun

Yeah, about that. You could pay for Knight Errant security with about 1 millionth of the earnings you get. Security isn't a problem.

I guess to amuse the player after he blasts away the enemy with a force 10 power focus that he paid 2 karma to make and bond?

If he paid 2 karma he paid too much.

I actually had a shaman with a force 10 focus I made myself. I paid more than one karma to bond it though, but only because I got tired of makign the orichalcum and wanted a chance to use the thing. I almost never had it activated though, as something that beefy is way too big a target.

Can you mask it?

In SR3 he would have to be a Grade 10 Initiate to mask 10 Force points.

By which time you're running out of metamagic techniques to learn, and your initiation is costing more and more karma, and if you have to do an Astral Quest as your initiation ordeal... you better be lying inside a DocWagon platinum stabilization unit deluxe because at that quest rating the addition +1 from their healing is so worth it.

Not really, but the spirits that I would summon with that thing would be more than enough to protect against pretty much any threat.

did anyone else notice that alchemy and enchanting uses were NOT included in the list of things power foci do not help with?

Since magic will probably be the relevant stat for enchanting, I'm assuming they will help a lot.

Orihalcum's a broken game mechanic.

no it is a 3rd ed mechanic that needs updating and revision to fit in to fourth

previously power foci didn't help

am doing the math based on extra units removing dice

the end of year results are scary

force 400+ power focus after 1 year

That is AWESOME.

Enchanter mage a go-go!!