here's an example

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Read the file on the right about Alachia/hecate

"This is a last minute "frag off" directed at Alachia, from the Aztlan sourcebook as "Hecate", with the down cycle hunting."

Lofwyr's rarely physically present, though, unlike Alachia or Hecate. They deal directly too often in too many disparate locations to realistically be the same person. Lofwyr's got his army of horrible things that go bump in the night, all named Hans Brackhaus, that walk around looking like Agents in The Matrix and do his bidding. I can see doing all the things he does if he only rarely undertakes tasks and attends meetings personally.

As an side, the monitor thing is a nice trick, too, but Lofwyr is a Great Dragon. He's got a brain the size of a Buick and vision organs that can pick out a dead pixel on an LCD two hundred feet away (and probably shoot lasers). Immortal elves might have high attributes, lot of skills, magical powers beyond comprehension, and aeons of experience... but they're still just two-legged organic meatbags at the core.

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Like I said, seems thin. They're the writers, they can change anything they want, future or past, within the realm of Shadowrun. Someone down the line could take control of the UCAS politico NPCs' fates and decide to "reveal" that Angela Collolton is secretly a robot controlled by a green alien invader who wants to hollow out the planet and fill it with snacks. Doesn't make it solid, even if it's canon. I mean, for crissakes, they used the term frag in a developer's note. Just say fuck, for fuck's sake.
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I know, just thought I'd mention it though as an example. But like I said, with creative use of spells, liek say Gateway, she could get around rather easily. And who says the an't make a similcrum or something similar as a stand-in?

Ours is not to wonder why, ours is but to justify...

If the people who acquired those notes would scan them and convert them to PDF (or handed full-size image scans of them to a certain bitter, angry forum poster who's shown a strong talent for PDF construction), I think a lot of players would find them nice bits of trivia and general "what the hell were they thinking" type data. Any sort of effort like this been considered/attempted?

the the thread has about 8 pages of people asking/discussing it, but as far as I know, nothing ever happened. Try asking Ancient or PM 'Propwash' I guess.

Maybe something Holostreets should look in to.

I asked here. As for Holostreets, isn't the ETA on that still something like twelve months? If everyone who had them who reads these forums got them scanned and assembled, hosting could be procured and distribution begun within weeks.

sorry , point I was trying to make was that this thread was from back in September when there was still lots of hype about this, and even though many were asking, no one ever said they were actually working on something. I hope that some has though. It would be great to see more of this. Who knows, maybe the renewed interest will get something going. The reason I suggested PMing was because I'd never seen 'prop wash' before or after that thread.

Chances are the PM will not be seen then. You could try emailing him via the address he used to set up his DS account. Maybe it is still active.

I'll be too busy taking my rightful place on top of Corpse Mountain, which will be made from the bodies of my enemies, and hosting my Skull Throne made from the skulls of those I bested to take on the spud. I shall wear his skull as a helmet, and command my legions with the combined power of the Beast and myself.

For convenience sake, Corpse Mountain shall be in Canada.

Yeah. I didn't even get a project worth submitting out of it, so really: Who's the Loser in this equation?

Ancient, you're a freelancer; what have you written that pertains to Aztlan? I mean, for Fanpro and maybe FASA.

I signed a nondisclosure agreement, but I believe I can safely reveal that I've never written anything about Aztlan.

I did a chunk of Runner Havens (you can see my name in the author's list), and you can blame me for the SR3->SR4 Quick conversion, but I'd rather not detail what I'm working on.

Did? As in most of the work is finished already?

I really can't say.

What's Ancient's name? And did Harlequin do anything to fuck with history?

... I'm not going to get Ancient fired, am I?

dunno about AH´s rl name.

Harlequin may have been King Richard the Lionhearted, possibly he was the historical figure serving as inspiration for the arthus myth, too. AH´s hp has some info about the IE´s including references, you might want to take a look, if you haven´t allready.

EDIT: sooooo, emo samurai, are you one of them? Did you lure me into this trap of my hiden enemy?! I´ll watch your future steps!

<rubs_eyes> Let's run over the grand total of historical personages IE's have been:

Leonardo da Vinci
-Actually, the eccentric immortal elf named Leonardo apparently was never da Vinci, he's just obsessed with and emulates him.

Richard the Lionhearted
-Eh. This one is iffy; just because Richard Couer de Lion's armor still fits harlequin doesn't mean Harly and him were one and the same.

Elizabeth I
-Okay, so Caroline Spector made Alachia the Virgin Queen. I can't help with that one.

Eva Braun
-Alachia was a Nazi's girlfriend, but it's just an assumption she was Hitler's personal slut.

<shrug> I was just havin' fun.

How does a full grown adult impersonate another person from Birth? As in the case of Elizabeth? They can't. Then you are left with usurping that persons identity after they have matured to about adulthood. This could have been done while Elizabeth was imprisoned, but how fortuitous that young Elizabeth so closely resembled Alachia. And how fortunate that Alachia somehow was able to subvert all of Elizabeth's acquaintences.

I would find it easier to believe if the IE lived their life and maybe acquired fame, but emerged from an obscure childhood, not a life under the microscope of royalty.

Then Alachis shows up in Nazi Germany. I have to assume that the germans checked her identification as thoroughly as they did everyone's in trying to root out the jews. That means not only having good documents to back up your identity, but good references that could vouch for you and your parents from the time they were children. Nice to see she had that much foresight. To put over one human lifetime into establishing an ID lends more credence to the assumption that she was manipulating Hitler and not just any german officer. (It also makes us want to believe how such an unimpressive human as Hitler rose to power.) But this very influence and manipulation (of Hitler or even some officer) must have been to the detriment of someone who would call for an even closer look at her ID. I'm going to state right now that this is likely the highest rated fake ID ever created.

Arthur could almost appear on the scene full grown, especially if taking the route that Harlequin only inspired the legends. The whole sword in the stone, where arthur is entering physical maturity, could be nothing more than myth made up to create a heroic background. To me the sword in the stone story is there to validate someone coming from obscurity to claim the right to royalty. It fits my perameters of acceptable.

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Supposedly, Alachia managed a couple of illusions during the downcycle.

I wish the SR4 sourcebook said something about Harlequin. As a new player, I am completely in the dark on this. Same goes for Captain Chaos to a degree.

I am really happy that Harlequin is not mentioned.

Why the hell would Alachia seduce Hitler? Wouldn't she have developed better taste by then?

Maybe inciting genocide would help with some wierd convoluted blood ritual! hehe.

Aina did some healing back in the 5th age, in worlds without end. So presumably an illusion now and than may have been possible for Alachia, too. Hard but managable. But there are more mundane routs to go, if you can spare some decades to prepair.

Wow thjis threads been busy while I was away...


@Oracle:- I see it as powerful, but it just doesn't seem powerful enough for the role they fill or how there legend comes across. I just feel eartdawn lacks people of the top level of power, this makes it hard to understand how players can progress to theese levels without someone to train them... I would have but people like Alachia at 15 in something, so they become the people the players have to convince to train them, it would lead to ineresting politics and such...

You do not need a lot of training as an Adept. Only for advancing in circles. Characters like Alachia are so involved in politics that they do not have the time to master their disciplines. And in my eyes it is abolutely impressive to have double digit circles in multiple disciplines.

Except that A. she's naturally talented as a result of being an Immortal Elf, and B. the disciplines she's taken are the sorts that would result in constant practice while playing politics.

She's a Face mystic adept, specializing in Illusion spells.

And with a Named/ permanent "raise Charisma" spell

I'm sure either a GD or an IE develop it...