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winterhawk11
Who needs soy when you can grow your own meat?

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...t+starter+cells
Platinum
Yum, Smeat.
Cray74
So, if you grow human meat in a vat and eat it...is it cannabalism (sp)?

And would it sustain ghouls?
Incognito
I registered today to post that very link. I got scooped! You technomancers really do have an edge in the Matrix. wink.gif

Is it too early to buy stock in NatVat?
Platinum
We really need to get that newsfeed that adam was looking at going.
http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?showtopic=12048


Adam if you read this, I volunteer. (I might as well get into this somehow.)
El_Machinae
I'd be worried about toxins accumulating due to cell death. The live animal is much more capable of keeping all the cells alive properly.

Still, it's a neat leap forward. We can't seem to get people to eat plankton (despite it being thought of as nutritious), but maybe meat will work?
Lindt
Its certinly an interesting idea. But something on the 3rd page just kinda threw me off a little...

In 2003, scientists in the United States announced that they had successfully grown a rabbit penis in the lab.
Daddy's Little Ninja
Grow your own meat? Is that not called a..."cow?"
PBTHHHHT
QUOTE (Lindt)
Its certinly an interesting idea. But something on the 3rd page just kinda threw me off a little...

In 2003, scientists in the United States announced that they had successfully grown a rabbit penis in the lab.

Well, scientist do have some perverse sense of priority on what to grow first, though I think they gotta get out of the lab more often... indifferent.gif
Edward
There worried about sausages and chicken nuggets that taste like meet?

Those donít taste like meat today.

The problem I would have with the counter top version is maintaining a viable culture. Infection would be a big issue, I donít thin anybody cleans there dishes well enough that leaving growth medium out at optimal temperature would not trigger a massive bacterial infection.

Also I think getting sausages to grow overnight is being overly optimistic on speed, muscle doesnít grow that fast.

If they solve these problems there will be a market, you wont get total acceptance but there are people that would buy one tomorrow (sorry not m, Iím broke)

Edward
Grinder
Sausage-trees, finally! biggrin.gif
ShadowDragon8685
Edward, about the countertop version,

I imagine that a responsible company would make it a self-sealing, self-cleaning unit.

On the other hand, a corp like AZT would just market it as "BacteriYUM", and let it kill people. smile.gif

But yeah, industrial grown meat... Be a lot better than barnyard meat, eh?
hyzmarca
QUOTE (PBTHHHHT @ Mar 28 2006, 03:37 PM)
QUOTE (Lindt @ Mar 28 2006, 12:31 PM)
Its certinly an interesting idea.  But something on the 3rd page just kinda threw me off a little...

In 2003, scientists in the United States announced that they had successfully grown a rabbit penis in the lab.

Well, scientist do have some perverse sense of priority on what to grow first, though I think they gotta get out of the lab more often... indifferent.gif

Its a first step toward growing human penises in a lab, which is good. As far as transplants go I would be happy to accept a second-hand heart or someone else's arm should I need one.
I would not be happy with a used penis. That's something you want to get new and unopened in the original factory packaging.

There is more potential here than just food.
ShadowDragon8685
Ahhhhhhh, gotta love the old "Play upon the human psyche's mores and mires for profit" approach to technological advancement.


That said, I happen to agree with you. >_<
nezumi
Hmm... I dream of the day when every man has replaced his meat with something a foot and a half long, and I find I am the only one still able to copulate with other humans.
ShadowDragon8685
Nezumi, they'll just replace every woman's digestive tract with a shorter and more efficient version, and expand her reproductive areas. nyahnyah.gif
hyzmarca
Obviously, nezumi and Shadowdragon aren't watching the right internet porn or they would know that such extreme measures aren't required for a piddly foot and a half.
ShadowDragon8685
Wah-hah-hah-hah-haah. smile.gif


No, I've seen it. But that requires a lot of conditioning on her part to do that without splitting.
El_Machinae
QUOTE (nezumi)
Hmm... I dream of the day when every man has replaced his meat with something a foot and a half long, and I find I am the only one still able to copulate with other humans.

Um, aren't you just going to get two of them? That seems to be the better option, doesn't it?

(ewwwww)
Wounded Ronin
QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685)
Wah-hah-hah-hah-haah. smile.gif


No, I've seen it. But that requires a lot of conditioning on her part to do that without splitting.

Well, soft tissue has unlimited stretching capacity. That's why phimosis can be cured by stretching, and why people who wear heavy earrings all the time get long earlobes.

So, I'm pretty sure that with stretching any custom appendage could be accomidated.
ShadowDragon8685
I'm pretty sure the stretch limit of soft tissue is equal to it's tensile strength, IE the point at which it is easier to tear apart than to stretch.

That's when ouchies happen.
hyzmarca
The thing about most human soft tissue is that the body makes more of it as it stretches. This is why very obese people have drastic fat reducing treatments such as liposuction end up gigantic folds of excess skin which have to be removes surgically.

Of course, the pelvis is a limiting factor in this case.
Shanshu Freeman
QUOTE (hyzmarca)


Of course, the pelvis is a limiting factor in this case.

If I had a nickle for every time I heard this...
Edward
QUOTE (Shanshu Freeman)
QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Mar 30 2006, 01:50 AM)


Of course, the pelvis is a limiting factor in this case.

If I had a nickle for every time I heard this...

I am curious to the other circumstances.

Edward
nezumi
QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Mar 29 2006, 05:22 PM)
QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685 @ Mar 29 2006, 04:37 PM)
Wah-hah-hah-hah-haah. smile.gif


No, I've seen it. But that requires a lot of conditioning on her part to do that without splitting.

Well, soft tissue has unlimited stretching capacity. That's why phimosis can be cured by stretching, and why people who wear heavy earrings all the time get long earlobes.

So, I'm pretty sure that with stretching any custom appendage could be accomidated.

I suspect inserting a foot and a half of meat from between the pelvis and into the abdominal cavity WITH stretching would be dangerous and would take lots of time to prepare for. Inserting said meat without years of stretching would likely result in... dissatisfaction for one party or the other (or both). I also suspect most women are not especially interested in getting a foot and a half long vagina installed (or stretching their existing one out to that length) in order to allow us to indulge our male egos.

ronin3338
Wow... really, really, REALLY off topic. eek.gif

Still, manufacturing meat in your home for consumption is scary.

Joe Dropout making meat at the local McWendy King, that's gonna give me nightmares. Think about it, there'll be a commercial version before a home version, and they won't have to ship frozen patties (of whatever meat they DO use). That means your Double Whopping Cheese McGreaser is gonna be made by the flunkie in the back that you just saw picking his nose in the parking lot on his smoke break. And I don't mean cooked, I mean made with whatever "meat starter" they decide to use...

Uggh. I think I'll skip lunch today.
hyzmarca
QUOTE (nezumi)
QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Mar 29 2006, 05:22 PM)
QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685 @ Mar 29 2006, 04:37 PM)
Wah-hah-hah-hah-haah. smile.gif


No, I've seen it. But that requires a lot of conditioning on her part to do that without splitting.

Well, soft tissue has unlimited stretching capacity. That's why phimosis can be cured by stretching, and why people who wear heavy earrings all the time get long earlobes.

So, I'm pretty sure that with stretching any custom appendage could be accomidated.

I suspect inserting a foot and a half of meat from between the pelvis and into the abdominal cavity WITH stretching would be dangerous and would take lots of time to prepare for. Inserting said meat without years of stretching would likely result in... dissatisfaction for one party or the other (or both). I also suspect most women are not especially interested in getting a foot and a half long vagina installed (or stretching their existing one out to that length) in order to allow us to indulge our male egos.

Actually, most nerve endings in the penis are in the first 1/3, same for the vagina so shallow strokes can be satasifying. For the most part length doesn't matter for that reason. Now, girth, on the other hand....

As for the potential for bad meat, that is true for any commercial process. Unless you kill it, butcher it, and cook it yourself there is no telling what you're getting. Statistically, you are far more likely to be intentionally poisioned by a home cooked meal than be accidently poisioned by a commercial meal. A little urine in the coffee usually isn't harmfull.
SirKodiak
QUOTE (hyzmarca)
Statistically, you are far more likely to be intentionally poisioned by a home cooked meal than be accidently poisioned by a commercial meal.

Considering that I cook my own home-cooked meals, that is either a terrifying or reassuring statistic, depending on how you look at it.
ShadowDragon8685
I think we're worried about unintentional poisonings than intentional ones, Hyz.
hyzmarca
QUOTE (SirKodiak @ Apr 1 2006, 07:59 PM)
QUOTE (hyzmarca)
Statistically, you are far more likely to be intentionally poisioned by a home cooked meal than be accidently poisioned by a commercial meal.

Considering that I cook my own home-cooked meals, that is either a terrifying or reassuring statistic, depending on how you look at it.

It should be reassuring. You probably won't intentionally poision yourself.

QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685)
I think we're worried about unintentional poisonings than intentional ones, Hyz.


That's because you aren't paranoid enough.



Anyway, the big dangers with food aren't foreign objects, pests, or bodily fluids. The big danger is bacteria from undercooked meats and contamination of vegetables with meat bacteria by using unwashed ultinsils and cutting boards used on uncooked meat. This is more probable in home cooked food than in resturants but in resturants one mistake will cause many people to become ill instead of just one or a few. Likewise, bodily fluid contamination (often intentional) and foreign object contamination is more likely in resturants than in home. These are generally more shocking and disgusting but they are also less dangerous than bacteria.

Heavy metal contamination can be a concern because this can happen at a farm and remain undetected. This is why it is important to test farm soil for toxic heavy metals. (marijuna grown in heavy metal rich soil can cause heavy metal toxicity in people who smoke it, for example). Other toxic materials can enter food during growing or processing through accident, mishap, or negligence but it is unlikely.
nezumi
QUOTE (SirKodiak)
QUOTE (hyzmarca)
Statistically, you are far more likely to be intentionally poisioned by a home cooked meal than be accidently poisioned by a commercial meal.

Considering that I cook my own home-cooked meals, that is either a terrifying or reassuring statistic, depending on how you look at it.

Then make sure your name doesn't appear as the primary beneficiary on your life insurance.
De Badd Ass
QUOTE (PBTHHHHT)
QUOTE (Lindt @ Mar 28 2006, 12:31 PM)
Its certinly an interesting idea.  But something on the 3rd page just kinda threw me off a little...

In 2003, scientists in the United States announced that they had successfully grown a rabbit penis in the lab.

Well, scientist do have some perverse sense of priority on what to grow first, though I think they gotta get out of the lab more often... indifferent.gif

Based on a random sampling of late-nite infomercials, I'd say those scientists are searching for the holy grail. Seems like one-outa-eight infomercials claims their product can make a penis grow. Ron Popeil has seven ways you can chop it up and cook it.

You want kraut on that dog?
PlainWhiteSocks
In this article it said there was a group of people willing to fund a home incubator so they could grow human tissue for consumption. If that is the case then good ol Dunkies prize for coming up with edible synthetic ghoul chow could be redundant. Unless the ghouls need essence or something like it to feed from, in which case it could prove to be much more complicated. Something of a magical essence generator needed.

Test Tube Meat Article
Shrike30
Boy, this takes "Made when you order it" burgers to a whole new level...
Kyoto Kid
...this validates KK's allergy to meat flaw considering that it would make meat products more common.

"eeeeyuuuuu! [edit] "Frankenfurters", how totally gross!"

-Kyoto Kid [in character]

....man, no instant Karma for missing that one.
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