i couldn't bother looking up the cost of the cyber, so i just payed 15k for 2 bodies, 1 awakened. it was from the food fight run.

(My opinion) I know its not really covered in the rules, but in an awakened world, you'd think you'd pick up your own sorta background count being an organlegger. You're not really doing it to fulfill a need (such as eat), or protection. You don't even really have the buffer of respectful professionalism of like a coroner or undertaker, you're consciously determining a money/profit value of sentient things you've killed. Seems kinda 'ghoulish' to me. Its not even really under the 'loot mentality' of dnd, its definately its own special niche

I've said it before and I'll say it again, organlegging is the 2050s version of an eco-conscious "eat what you kill" mentality.

~J

Meh. Harvesting, to me, is just the lame ass SR version of the D&D "carry out everything worth at least a copper piece."

If it's part of a run, or part of the coverup for a run, fine. If the players are doing it to make "teh extra monay", and they make a pattern of it, I make good and sure that it bites them in the ass.

The ghouls could snitch because they don't want to come across as dependant to the PC shadowrunners. Supply and demand stuff too, if a new party comes in willing to undercut the shadowrunner's prices, James' scenario becomes a logical progression. Rather than having to deal with pissed off runners angry at their profit margins going down, they set up the runners. And do it in a way that the runners can't immediately tell it was the ghouls that did it, so are more likely to keep their mouths shut on who they sold the bodies to. Plus the ghouls could just move. There's enough empty abandon space in the sprawl to relocate.

if you are going to suggest that ghouls, who need the meat to survive, will sell out their suppliers the moment a better price appears. Then the runners WILL snitch on the ghouls the second something goes wrong

Can I feel reasonably certain that my new water supply is here to stay? Can I feel reasonably certain that my old water suppliers won't be hunting me down to kill me? If so, then yep, I'll fuck 'em over.

Depending on who is putting pressure on you, losing your food supply temporarily could be the easiest and safest out. I'd much rather have to scrounge around for a new source of corpses for a little while then lose my feet, legs, genitals, then life to Rocko the Wondergoon.

It all comes down to what loyalty rating the runners have to their ghoul contact.

Yep - and vice versa.

I was thinking along the lines of "There's a gun to their head and all their fingers have been broken" style of snitching. Not snitching for profit, but for survival.

If you were Lonestar, and had just picked up a ghoul, wouldn't you interrogate it fully to determine where it was getting its food?

In the real world, addicts snitch on their drug suppliers all the time. Often for a lot less incentive than ending torture.

Tell ya what ghoulie, you tell us who your sources are and we'll let ya cut loose in the morgue here.

LOL It doesn't even have to be the truth if the ghoul is hungry enough (i.e. he's been held in lockdown for 3 days)

So we're agreed that supplying a huge quantity of illegal goods to an easily-identified customer is ... foolish?

If done for long without major contacts to help you avoid and deflect investigations it can definitely be a one way ticket to squishy land.

There's nothing illegal about metahuman bodies. In fact, most metahumans have at least one body, the UCAS's First Lady and a few others being exceptions.

It isn't illegal to sell human flesh now (with the exception of transplantable organs for that purpose). It is done commonly. It will be less illegal in the Sixth World.
Selling metahuman flesh isn't the problem. The problem is where it came from. Obviously, if it came from an unwilling doner selling it is a commiting a crime. This can be covered up by placing bribes and forging documents. If it came from a murder, there are even more problems but the process of organlegging does a pretty good job of destroying any reliable evidence of foul play.

From what I understand, organlegging ni SR is a crime (or it would be done by corps, not criminals). Also, being a ghoul in and of itself is a crime, so at the least selling them food is some form of conspiracy. Besides, if I were selling bodies to ghouls, the law would be the least of my concerns. I'd be much more afraid of angry spouses, coworkers, etc. putting together a fund to hire some shadowrunners of their own to hunt me down.

Organlegging is a crime in the same way that smuggling is a crime and fencing is a crime. It's not a crime to sell stuff, it may not even be a crime to sell this particular kind of stuff, but that's not what organlegging is.

Likewise, software piracy is always copyright infringement because if it isn't copyright infringement, it isn't software piracy. This in no way prevents the legitimate transfer of software for no cost.

~J

what kinds of white bread families are shadowrunners comingfrom thesedays

remember most runners should have grown up in a bad part of town like the barrens

poor, usuallly hungry, no SIN, no social security. shitif selling the body of the wino that froze to death last night will get ya food for a week, then DO IT

that is how most runners GREW UP

Waste NOTHING!

Also, it isn't illegal to be a ghoul in the UCAS any more than it is illegal to be HIV positive in the USA today. Its just that in the UCAS the police can quarintine and/or execute you to prevent the spread of the virus in the same way that some people today support the mass quarintine or the mass execution of HIV postive persons to prevent the spread of the virus. This falls under public health powers rather than police powers and should be carried out under the auspices of the UCAS' CDC equivilant.

Even before goulification was recognized as a disease it was a pblic health mater rather than a criminal one. Feral ghouls can be classified as mentally ill or mentally retarded and thus the government can institutionalize and execute them for their own safety and the safety of others even if they have not commited a crime.

Over the decades ghoul rights activists have made great strides across the world. Bounties and kill on sight orders are becoming more and more rare, especially within the UCAS. In many nation ghouls who retain their intelligence are still able to exercise most of their rights and some major cities have thriving ghoul communities. There is even an entire country run by ghouls for ghouls in Africa, sort of like an Israel for HIV carriers.

Being a ghoul is just like having any other blood-borne disease that requires constant maintaince drugs. In this case, the drug is rotting metahuman flesh instead of an expensive antiviral cocktail. The main obstacle for a ghoul in 2064 is the hygine issues that accompany the condition and which make interacting with uninfected metahumans fairly difficult.

Wait a second don't most ghouls scavenge in the first place? It would be too expensive otherwise.

there is a large organlegging operation in the UCAS CAS and other areas called Tamanous
it is ghoul run and anything that isn't salable is ghoul chow