I thought a long time about house-ruling firing two weapons at once. I figured a rule similar to the auto-fire rules would be better. But I wont do it. Seems to me the rules work just fine as written after thinking about it. You half your chance to hit and double your potential damage output, more or less; fair I say. And it's restrictive enough that it has to be motivated by a desire to "be cool", but still without being worthless, which I like.

Wielding two pistols will give you a lot of possibilities.

Let's say Agility 5 Pistols 4 = Dice pool 9

You have to hit 2 goons (as in the example by .. blakkie, right?) in plain sight, and you're behind cover.

Unload both pistols at goon 1: dice pool: 9/2 = 5, -1 behind cover, no recoil = 4 to both pools

Goon 2 will give you lots of penalties as we know, so lower left gun and shoot him with right gun only: dice pool: 9, -1 behind cover, -1 recoil, -2 second target, +2 smartlink = 7

And this is a good but moderately skilled runner, not a trinked out adept.

i think it will be -2 recoil as the recoil from both guns affect your second shot...

But you're not firing both guns the second shot, that's the trick see?

ugh, i hate how the new recoil rules a deceptively similar to the old one, yet to very diffrent!

The new recoil rules are really simple: the first round's free. Every round you fire after the first (that's uncomped) applies a -1 to the test you're making with it.

yes its very simple. but its diffrent from what i have trained my brain to think when it comes to SR recoil

i have a feel that i will have many more "duh!" moments before the brain have been reprogramed

I just made up a character with cyber forearms with a cyberarm gyromount in each. He has Automatics specialized in SMGs, and is shooting Ingram Smartgun Xs. Agility is 6, Automatics is 6 (+2 SMGs), and there's 6 points of recoil compensation. There's also tracers in the gun with the EX, which can be useful. He's going to make out pretty well.

You forgot Improved Ability 3 and reflex recorders.

Might as well stick tracers in both guns, too.

Here's a question for you... if you're doing "suppressive fire" with a SMG in each hand, does it only burn 10 rounds from each gun (to make the total of 20 rounds fired) or does it burn 20 from both and let you "suppress" twice?

I would go with option 2, meaning that it would burn 20 bullets from each gun, and let you suppress twice. Although, you'd still have to split the dice pool in half. You could, however, suppress two different areas (at a -2 for "different targets"), or suppress the same area twice, giving you the chance to do more damage. Lastly, you could just take turns suppressing the same area with the guns, letting you get your whole pool each time, and also letting you suppress for twice as long.

It won't be easy to change the ammo clips while holding 2 SMGs .

I don't see changing clips as being a problem. They'll all be dead by then anyway.

I misread your original line "There's also tracers in the gun with the EX" to mean that one gun had EX, the other did not, since I don't recall you specifying the use of EX prior to that sentence.

Reloading 2 SMGs isn't hard, in game... simple action to holster A, free to eject smart mag, simple to load a new one (end one phase), simple to holster B, simple to draw A, free to eject mag (end two phase), simple to load new mag, simple to draw B, free to yell "BRING IT ON!" (end three phase). 3 seconds, if you've got Wired 2

Or you could just drop them and quick draw 2 more. If you're the type of character that likes to empty SMGs you'll probably want to invest in some backups for just such an occassion.

"The exited through the front door, and found themselves facing six men with guns drawn. It was a fuckin' ambush. There was a firefight..."
"What if it was just one guy with six guns?"
"Why don't you let me do the thinking, genius?"

Yeah, it ain't cheap, but if I'm in a situation where I'm needing to rapidly empty SMGs I won't be too concerned with cost. If I'm going to amke a character based on doing it I'd probably dump max rating into loyalty for a gun runner contact and request jobs against forces that use SMGs so I can easily replenish my supply.

I probably wouldn't make the character though.

No way, man. Install the dual SMGs in your cyberarms and go for the belt-fed option.

Then wear "clothing" made exclusively of the ammo belts.

It's a new fashion statement!

Just be sure to be obese, hairy, and covered in warts. That way security will eventually leave instead of forcing you to fire those last 100 rounds.

Saw a character a while back who hackjobbed the weapons mod rules into putting a belt feed onto a cyber shotgun. Let me tell you, there's nothing quite like watching someone's cyberarm gyros deploy as they're hauling this long belt of 12 gauge out of the zipper-top of their suitcase in an airport...

Couple pairs of magnets on the SMG and the web gear?

Or even tiny electromagnets tied in to your PAN that can be used to stow the SMG in a ready position across the chest?

BTW, IRL somebody's built a FA shotgun with a 30rd drum and very little felt recoil.

Define "very little?" My idea of "very little" recoil is something like an M16.

I can speak from experience that dual wielding heavy pistols can work for some significant gunfu. Looking at my wife's character, sitting in front of me

Agility 6/8
Pistols (Heavy) 6/8

She works her pistols w/o any recoil comp, mostly due to the silly silencers she's got on them.

Goon A: 16/2 = 8
Goon A: 16/2 - 1 (recoil) = 7
Goon B: 16/2 - 2 (recoil) -2 (additional target)= 4
Goon B: 16/2 - 3 (recoil) -2 (additional target)= 3

She's working on that plan with 4 targets. And as a cybered Elf, she can add a bit more to her Agility.

And she's also on the Boondock Saints theory. She doesn't reload, she quick draws another gun.

And don't get me on the gunfu adept who does the same thing with machine pistols and short bursts.

*sigh*
No. Recoil is -0 for the first shot for both guns, then -2 for the second.

http://www.military.com/soldiertech/0,1463...=soldiertech.nl

Auto Assault 12. Would make for a pretty nasty game weapon.

Search for "AA12" on this and the general Shadowrun forum. Not much of an advantage over an Enfield AS-7 (or whatever you've got in SR4).