So we shouldn't discuss it in this thread, and shouldn't resurrect the old thread about it? Where are we supposed to go if we want to discuss it?

I've got an idea, why not just read the thread if it's so offensive?

Also, what happens in December?

To December.

We start discussing it again until mid-January. Most of the good debate happens on New Year's Eve/Day.

~J

LOL. If it bugs yo so much, don't read it. No need to try and boss people around when all you have to do is exert a little self control instead.

I don't know a lot about horrors other than they are supposed to be badass. The 6th world has a lot of badass stuff too. I think anything can be beaten, it's just a matter of how many fronts we would end up figthing on.

And keep in mind: if the Horrors return in canon, it will change the face of the SR world entirely. Whether we win or not might have a lot to do with how that change affects sales. If nobody buys a book about horrors returning, the horror onslaught will probably be fought off fairly rapidly.

If they come back in a particular GM's campaign the results will depend upon the GM's vision of events and how the PCs' actions manage to influence that.

I like to think of the Horrors as the Shadows from Babylon 5. Vastly powerful creatures from out of the past that were almost completely unstoppable last time around. But when they came back, we gave them a run for their money (with the help of B5's version of immortal elves and dunkelzahn). The same could hold true for horrors in the 6th world.

There is a man with a gun behind me. If I don't read this topic, he will shoot first my family, then me. Under those circumstances, I will decline your advice.

~J

You are trying to appeal for compassion on dumpshock? Dude with the gun shoot him now...

It isn't an apt analogy. The Shadows were a single race with a homogenous government. The Horrors are an ecosystem unto themselves. Amongst the unnamed horrors are a variety of plants, animals, microbes, spirits, and things that defy classification. Some are sentient. Some are mindless. Some work together. Some act alone. Amongst the Named Horrors, all are sentient but none cooperate and all are unique. Named horrors are all lone hunters there is no Horror infrastructure to attack and no Horror leadership to surrender. One has to take on each one individually.

Some Named Horrors are businessmen and politicians by nature and easily integrate into metahuman society in those roles. Bonecrown the Usurper would make a great UCAS President and could probably convince congress to give him citizenship. Nemesis is known for his economic sense and accumilated a great deal of wealth through perfectly legal means during the Fourth World. These kinds of Horrors would live large and incharge during the next scourge because they don't have any loyalty to the other Horrors and only care about their own comfort. They would accumilate wealth and power through perfectly legitimate means and leave no room for anyone to complain about them.

Some, like Ristul, are intangible manifestations of an ideal and cannot be killed any more than a totem can be.

The only thing that all horrors have in comon is that they appear around the time of the Scourge. Other than that, there is little evidence that they are actually related.

Why not? CoC vs CoH in the Matrix... woah...

Reads too much like Palladium Books' Nightbane RPG story. Sorry.

The whole idea of SR 1-4 is to merge the traditional Cyberpunk concept with a (much better, IMHO) functioning Magick, adding edge to an already dystopian world. If you don't want Magic, try CyberPunk 2020.

Out of curiosity (and sorry for the slight OT): which rule-set do you use?

Human Swordmasters rock, btw!