I had a character spend 4 hours of real time stareing at a fence, I was totally convinced there was some sort of security on the fence and I was dropped off with out my gear, so i couldnt test for electricity or anything else. I had no binoculars to see if anyone was watchign us and shit like that.

At the end of the night and we finally completed the mission (which was a joke to begin with, I wanted to rob the place earlier based on a rumor our characters had heard in the bar, we got their later that day by accident and said screw it lets rob the place). The GM was laughing because while he was designing the security for the site he totally forgot about the fence in his plans so it had no security on it. He doesnt add stuff to the mission later just because he forgot it. Just like if our characters to specify what they take, congradulations you forgot it.

So we basically spent 4 hours of our real life debating about touching a fence, we didnt want to set off alarms before we even got in the site perimeter. After that we always laughed about fences, picking on each other about them.

Other then the fence there was a bunch of tough security in the site. Turned out to be some corporate thing, I forget what it was. Enough security to keep the scum affraid. But they stayed out of site till the time was called for them to show up. The fence is self was rusted and dirty, had spots with cuts in it, the site was littered with trash. No one should have even thought any was worth stealing was there. But our characters liked to check things out anyway.

I wasnt looking to get you on the math, I was just being an ass.

I havent lost perpective, you are just not in touch with the reality of the situation the world is in today and base all your arguments on fiction written by people that for the most part only know the real criminal world from the news paper and movies.

How can you prove that the vast majority of police evidence lock ups havent been broken into in the last five years? I know a bunch of cops that say evidence is lost all the time.

No I was pointing out a couple extreme examples of things that happened because people seem to think those things dont happen today. Piracy, corporate espionage and all the other crap you do in shadowrun happens today, maybe a fraction less, but youll be suprised how often it does happen.

Like you have said, there isnt 100's of these top tier runners in seattle. And with the amount of of complexes, corporate parks and other jobs for a listers and b listers to do jobs on, how often do you think that warehouse is going to be robbed? So the amount of bleeding you are going to try and stop isnt really that much.

Charon have you read the corporate download or corporate security books? the Neo anrchist guides? Or anything before SR4?

Yes security is now much more lethal, but not always. Not every security detachment is armed for war in fact the previously mentioned books have stated that non deadly forces are more common, only the letheal forces come out or the non lethal guys get lethal weapons when the shit hits the fan. Corps may be extraterroritorial, but accidently shooting some wage slave walking pass your complex is bad PR.

There are a bunch of large companies today, in fact the one corp you are referring to LoneStar is based on the Pinkertons, which by chance are the people that protect the port I live next to. That corp today is huge. So your point that a AA is living off the security business as a defense to your argument is hollow. Wells Fargo and a few others are doing the same thing.

Dont forget you are only seeing that much crime because the character you are playing is surrounded by criminals, the game is filled with criminals and all that. If you play a game based on vampires, wouldnt you see ass loads of vampires? or what ever?

Because I am an American! And what does an American what? Democracy?

Shouldnt that be "Because I am an American! And what does an American want? Democracy?

EDIT: would that be on an aisle or in an aisle, grammer was never my strong point. I mean you stand between the shelves that create the aisle and you stand on the floor that makes the aisle. So when does an aisle become an aisle?

damn, damn, DAMN the man!

James dont cheer him on, hes all ways bitching about the man. Hes just made his boyfriend left him for another man. So now he thinks all men are out to get him.

You say left I say right.

Lets call the whole thing off.

so he thinks all men are out to get him because his last boyfriend didn't get him?

Just like a woman hes hard to figure out. Youd think dating a man it would be easier, but Noooooo this freak has to ruin it all. At first it was all fun and game, watching football going to bars, then he starts with the whinning. Gah he sucked, and wasnt good at that either. I mean I hear he sucked.

How did we get to calling each other gay? One drunken night in a jacuzzi doesnt make you gay.

Not sure, but the case of astro glide you sent me made it seem that way.

I know we are way off topic here already, so I'll just keep pushing us further away.


Another aspect of corporate security to consider is "tracking".

If you are building a laser gun worth 500,000 and keeping them in warehouses you can bet there will be some sort of hidden GPS tracking device on each. Try and move the box/item out of the warehouse and watch the alarms go off. And even if you get away with it, they can always trace where you go.

Some airports today are experimenting with responder chips apparently the size of a pinhead which they attach to luggage. All a worker has to do is walk by the room with a detector wand and they can tell if every bag that is supposed to be there is there, or if any are missing.

It's not hard to imagine that 50+ years in the future this type of tech is everywhere and almost always automatically activated.

Or look at the new cars now days with build it GPS systems to track them if they are stolen. They are already hooking them up to the powersupply of the car so that if the GPS is turned off then the car won't start/work.

I'd imagine that in the future every high-end military grade weapon would probably have that same sort of tech built into them. That way the builders and owners will always know where there stuff is. It makes for easy inventory and easy loss prevention.

Even if you could disable the GPS to prevent being tracked by satellite, you would be unable to get the weapon to work.

And if you were good enough to disable the GPS and fix the weapon to work afterwards you would still not have enough time to do such a major tech feat in the middle of the run. You would have to do it back at the shop/lab and by that time it is too late, since they have been tracking you since you left the building.

Not all security has to be drones or guys with guns. A hidden, nanobot sized transmitter/locator built into each item (at a super small cost) or a GPS/Cut-off switch also built in at an almost as small cost (maybe 20 each item extra) is nothing and yet it could be one of the main reason people aren't walking off with Corp stuff everynight of the week.

Just a thought.

You said there was a water ban because your neighborhood was under a drought warning and you wish you could play with the slip and slide.

Folks - this is SR4. Most equipment is RFID-tagged per default.

If it is broadcasting only over very small distances? Possibly. Helps a lot with logistics, theft protection and later identification of KIA and MIA soldiers.

While Im in a ranting mood, lets look at RFID tags. First of all they ouldnt broadcst on their own, the power supply to last the life time of the product would be silly and the amount of rdio traffic caused by the thousands of tags in any one location as described in the BBB would jam everthing up. There are only so many frequencies to use.

How RFID tags work today is the tag has an antenna in it, a transiter to creat a legal singal the scanning device will accpect. The scanning device sends out a singal, the antenna catches the currnt in the air, the singal is sent through a transister to create the accpetble code, then its amplified in some cases by a quart crystal or other cheap device to amp the signal.

So, If I stole an Ares MP Laser the only way for them to track it, if I left the RFID tag in the damn thing longer then 10 minutes would be for me to be stupid enough to carry it pass an Ares owned scanner and their mainframe computer is crunching the numbers on everthing that has ever been stolen by ares and tells them where I was a few second ago.

Ill suspend disbelief to let the whole Minority Report scene to play out in SR. But Im not going to say, yeah we have these nanites the size of a human red blood cell in everything ever created that lets the corps track with satellites anything they want. Its just stupid. Im certainly not putting them in weapons meant for the military because that sort of thing is so damn stupid it pains me to think it would be considered, besides military bases and corporate compounds are so hard to break into why would you RFID tag a MP 3 Laser to begin with?

But can we dikote™ them?

The tags or Mp Laser? In either case yes. but only if you prmoise to have sex with them. Use yrou commlink to find your RFID condoms, becasue you know they have them, its logistically sound, prevents theft and your penis can be tracked anywhere in the world.