(EDIT: DOH, Meant Machine pistols in the header, not SMG.)

Ok, after reading about the gun and made some calculation about the "supposed" size of this weapon, ammo capacity, firing modes etc - and then comparing it to Machine Pistols I'm more and more convinced that this weapon was supposed to be in the Machine Pistols section instead of Light Pistols.

It's basically a MP in a light pistol package - and TONS more efficient that the other ones - ok, the pricetag is steep and somewhat unrealistic but not even that justifies the efficiency and especially the -2 concealability modifier.

I think it's classified as that because of it's awesome recoil. Also, without moving parts, I guess they figure it can be considerably smaller than those machine psitols. Therefore smaller and highly concealable.

Know what's more awesome?

An Ares Alpha with 6 points of total recoil compensation.

I reiterate the Super-Mach 100 SMG statement: "Great, now we can flatten light rounds against armor faster than ever before."

Sure, the Fubuki is good. But it's still a mite small.

Well, my argument against the Fubuki is mainly the concealability - perception tests to see it is at a -2, a Machine Pistol has +2 to perception and it sure fits the bill as a MP.

With Longcoat and Concealed Holster you get a total of -6 perception modifier to see it and that's just silly...

When I do up stats for the Sakura Fubuki, I just call it a light pistol and factor in the burst fire. When you think about it, it's just a light pistol that does 6P damage and can fire ten rounds before being reloaded, with a bit of fluff that says it's firing four rounds rather than one.

It's not really an MP at all. It's a futuristic usable version of Metalstorm (google it), which isn't a traditional gun at all. If you want to keep the size small but impose a penalty, make the ammo hard to get and very expensive. The Metalstorm, if I recall correctly, uses something pretty close to "solid state" ammo that is all one pieces with alternating gunpowder and bullets manufactured as a whole in layers. That takes up less room than actual individual bullets lined up in a row - this thing doesn't really use traditional light pistol ammo.

i could have sworn that i have seen this discussion atleast ones before...

and the end of the story is, do not use the art to define the stats.

this as the artist may just have gotten a basic explanation as to how the gun works, not what stats it will have. and added to the problem by drawing it as a cool rather then practical gun.

allso, i think the clasifications of hold-out, light and heavy have more to do with damage then size so in the end its a freaking big machine pistol as it fires light pistol strength ammo

given that there isnt a set concealability for each item this time round, just ramp it closer to a SMG in your game and have fun...

Well not this exact discussion, but I know I've taken part in something similar, oh, about a dozen times.

Unlike a machine pistol, the YSF is only capable of firing short, narrow bursts. Unlike a heavy pistol (running 5/-1), the YSF gets to calculate things like armor piercing using a base 4/0 damage code, which means that while it gets a +2 DV after you figure in the burst, it's more likely than a heavy pistol to flatten against armor. The burst-fire mode really isn't that impressive in terms of jacking your damage up, and means you're going to be running through ammunition at 3x the rate (and 3x the cost, correspondingly) of any other pistol.

I think it's cute, and I'm glad it's in the game because it promotes some variety. But it's not particularly broken, so I'm not going to worry about tweaking it at all.

Besides, loading half your barrels with Gel, the other half with APDS, and then smartgun-selecting which ammo type is fired allows for some amusing times

Well considering that it is possible to Gas Vent Pistols today, I've always houseruled that you can do so provided you're willing to pay extra. (As a disclaimer, that is according to a DS Poster who provided a link that I didn't have time to check out, but I believe him.)

Also although I don't have my book handy at the moment, I seem to recall that one of the pistols in the book as being discribed as having a built in Gas Vent by default...

man the picture of the YSF just confuses the hell out of me.

Considering it's four barrels, is it possible it only does a single shot from each barrel at max? Technically, that would be a SS weapon that does burst-fire damage and, if only two barrels fire at a time, handles recoil like an SA.

I thought it worked by firing one round from each barrel per shot, mimicking autofire by spitting out multiple bullets, and lessening recoil by not having them come out in rapid succession. But what do I knw?

Maybe I misunderstood. I think what James described is what I was thinking. I wasn't sure what you meant, Lilith

He has it firing four shots at once and I have it firing two. His has all four barrels shooting, I have it alternating between one set of two and another.

I thought they fired one after another in rapid succession.

like...

b-b-b-b

not

bb-bb

And there's interpretation #3.

and then there is bbb-bbb-bbb-bbb, or bbb from a selected barrel...

don't forget Phthbtbtbtbbt too

Personligen så tycker jag den låter antingen:

BRPPP!

eller:

FRRMP!

The funny thing is that it has four barrels, and accepts four barrel mounts…

This means that you could get (with 4 gas vent 3) a total of 12 in recoil compensation, not counting the folding stock. It will cost a LOT since you need to buy four gas vents but hey, nice recoil comp.

Hopefully Arsenal will allow us to modify firing modes on guns later on...13 bullets in FA without recoil...

Other interpretation: You need four gas vents to receive the effect of a single gas vent on a normal weapon.

Now, if they introduce two more gas vents with the equipment book, imagine how high you can get it...

Convert the Gas Vent 4 from SR3. 17 bullets, no recoil.

Consdering that it is based on Metal Storm, it should be possible to fire a 40-round burst from the Fubuki.

Which, if you're smart, you'll pick up afterwards. Why leave behind expensive modified barrels?

Page 312, Reloading firearms. Complex action to reload 1 muzzle tube. Yes, the Fubuki barrels are reloadable. Especially considering how close to magazines they are in design. May require to treat like a clip (which, in truth, isn't something you use in guns that require box magazines).

That stick over the fubuki pic is probably a stack of bullets. That actually looks like you replace the entire barrel, notice how the tip of it is exactly like the tip of the barrels.

So, basically, treat it like a weapon with multiple magazines and reloading the barrels as reloading magazines. Only, in this case, it fires shots from two "magazines" at once. There. We've fixed a flaw they had in the printing.

@Lilith: no.

Simply saying "no" is not an answer. It's a nice waste of a post, but not an answer.