Who, unless you mean a dragon 'sacrificing' himself

Heh that some kind of hint? Blah.

Not a social beast? Not social as in they don't hang out together per the zoological definition, but sure as hell in that they have rules, regulations, and mores.
C'mon Frank tell me there's no dragon society when i've been playing in it and you've been using it yourself. Gee dragons don't have their own etiquette.

Well duh. I didn't say it was emotional or comraderie. But still don't make them out to be cold calculating monsters.

Ya dragons don't care just go visit Tehran and keep telling yourself that. Like I said individuals certainly would act.

What's with you today?

-Frank

Dunklestein's self-sacrifice is probably not what Frank was specifically refering to, although I can't give any other specifics (because I just don't know). I would assume that, given the long history of interaction between metahumanity and dragonkind, that this type of situation would have come up before.

Of course, in the time I spent posting, Frank himself covered this quite nicely.

Oh, and there is no way that Ryumyu is 'the corrupted Eastern Great Dragon' behind Aztechnology.

Oh, and don't think I didn't notice the edit.

Had to read that one twice.

Edit:

oops, hee hee

It's just one move of a chess piece. It isn't going to provoke someone like Pale-n-Scaly into changing his plans or doing anything rash.

Yeah. It's a convoluted and old situation. Here's the Earthdawn take:

Sound familiar? It does to Lofwyr - this particular thing has been going on for thousands of years, they aren't going to go off half-cocked because it's still going on.

-Frank

Yeah, I gotta agree. Right or wrong, at least you're passionate about things man.

Ghostwalker is even older than Lofwyr, and has definitely seen this kind of thing before. Even if the whole incident did set him back in any way (and it didn't), he still wouldn't be 'pissed' and rashly attack Aztlan or Aztechnology.

He did? When did that happen?

Don't feel bad, I don't get it either. We can be ignorant together!

I like changing names.

Not anymore ...

I had to actually go back and reread the thread because seriously who the fuck was talking about Lofwyr? Way to go, use the most apathetic power mongering asshat for an example. Oh and to fuck up your example Lofwyr can be occasionally shaken out of his apathy look at the whole Nebelherr incident. I mean duh of course he's not mad, I suspect it would take quite a bit to go past annoyance. Really I don't see how this would affect him at all. Great example.

See other dragons here way down on planet earth actually give a damn what happens or at least the way events are spun concerning dragons, i.e. Hestaby and likely Alamais. Bad PR is inconveniencing. Now every tom, dick, and dumbass is thinking he might actually be able to take a dragon down, the azzies did it after all. It's there in the back of his little primate brain.
There's a facade of invincibility to maintain. This doesn't help.

Now Frank and I get to thumb wrestle it out on Friday.

Oh and damn FF12 is distracting, how will I ever get anything done? Music sucks though.

Well, not changing my name anyway, although I have done that a couple of times in Dumpshock history.

And knowing is half the battle!

You mock my non-new-Final-Fantasy-Game-having! Never do so again!

Lowfyr went after Nachmeister because Nachmeister was going after him. And it took him a damn long time. I won't presume to answer for Frank why he was using Lowfyr as an example, except to say that as Lore Master and an all over bad-a, his opinion matters.

This is definitely not the first dragon to be taken down. It isn't even the first publicity of a dragon being taken down. I think you are making too much of the issue. After all, we are not talking about a Great Dragon being sacrificed.

Give em an inch...

You're right, just a feathered serpent, who cares? Heh. I don't even like feathered serpents.
Anyway I'll just say check out the shadowtalk that relates to the matter and leave it at that.

Now why aren't we talking about that picture on page 124 instead? Rowrrrr.

See, easily distracted.

That doesn't mean the dragons don't have the knowledge of it.

Well yeah, it's shown up on public forums, dragons have knowledge of it. But it's not something that they were able to do even in the 4th world. It was developed by humans - probably during the down cycle if we are to believe the Aztlan sourcebook. As to whether there are dragons who have the ability to do that now, I'd say the answer is probably yes, although most of the old schoolers like Hestaby and Ryumyo cannot.

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Blood Magic of the sacrificing variety was taught to the people of Aztlan originally by a group of dragons. They felt that the superior numbers, higher turnover rate, and most of all better access to potential sacrifices would allow humans to outdevelope blood magic as compared to what the dragons themselves were capable of. Now that humans have come up with some powerful techniques there's a big Eastern Dragon and a big Feathered Serpent (both unnamed in official canon) who are high-fiving each other and saying "Who told you so? We told you so!" to the other immortals.

Of course, many of the other immortals are like "What the hell are you doing? Blood Magic attracts horrors at thebest of times, you're just surrendering the planet to Verjiface!"

And then our friends the feathered serpent and the eastern dragon high five each other again and say "Who said anything about surrendering, bitches!? We got manavoids, what the fuck have you got?" - and then both sides go back to shooting at each other.

And the thing is... they might be right. Desperate times and desperate measures and all that. A lot of perfectly reasonable sounding ideas to survive the Scourge didn't work (*cough*Parlainth*cough*). And the old ways that the Tirs are resorting to... they have a pretty shitty track record. Who is to say that Aztechnology's horror survival plan isn't an improvement over the Theran one?

The only way to find out would be to watch the next scourge and see who lives through it...

-Frank

"Who said anything about surrendering, bitches!? We got manavoids, what the fuck have you got?".... my kind of supervillians (or whatever you want to call them).

Parlainth? My ED radar is out someone fill me in on that one.

there's a big Eastern Dragon and a big Feathered Serpent (both unnamed in official canon) who are high-fiving each other and saying "Who told you so? We told you so!" to the other immortals. ---- I'm dying to know who these two are it's killing me! I knew there was a dragon behind it I just knew it.

Tirs are resorting to... they have a pretty shitty track record. --- Yeah fuck the Tir's those wacky elves have got it all wrong withthere uppity imortal ways. I'm glad someone is sticking it to "the elves".

to watch the next scourge and see who lives through it... ---- Hmmm how soon is that comming up again? The bugs were the first sign so I wonder if there comming up soon. The Shedim seem to indocate a big yeppers on that one.


P.S. Props to Frank for comming correct with a good arguement put in a very street cred way!

A couple of thousand years, give or take a decade or so.

Booooo!

I agree let it all hang out if you got something important to say. I'm not caught up on all my ED info yet

Ahh, then I retract my 'Booooo!'.

Parlainth was the capital of the theran province Barsaive before the Scource. The magicians there wanted to make a big show of their might and refused to use the Rites Of Protection And Passag. Instead they created a really powerful ritual spell that teleported/ moved Parlainth (with all people, pets etc.) into a secret place at astral space and (and here comes the cool part) erased the memory of Parlainths existence from the world. After the spell was cast, every living being (and probably the dead ones too) lost their knowledge of the city, even written records were cleaned.

But things didn't work out as planned. Parlainth returned after the Scource (detailed in the novel "The longing ring"), but was a destroyed city, filled with Horrors, undeads and the like. Seems the people of mighty Parlainth took some Horrors with them and spent the Scourge with them.

RedBrick plans to re-publish the revised version of the Parlainth Boxed Set sometime late 2007, btw.

huh?

Hmm, you're right. I guess I should have read Paradise Lost more carefully back in the day. My bad.

Masking? But yeah, it sounds like you're right.

Insider knowledge? (IIRC you freelance, right?)

I wasn't under the impression the corruption automatically equalled uberness.

Touche