enough back on tracks boys....

point is, nowhere in the SR whole material (SB, novel,....aso) we're going to find evidences concerning the IE statut of Domingo Ramos son of Julio Ramos and Chica Senora. null point.

next round...Init !!

Personally I find it unlikely that no IE's would have gotten into the corporate game. They're almost as old as some of the wyrms, and there's plenty of wyrms playing in the corps. Plus, being metahumans, the IE's could IMO more easily infiltrate the corporate ranks than the dragons.

And for me personally that's the reason I've been trying to figure out who could be the prime suspect. Like Domingo Ramos.

How about Damien Knight? Isn't his past a bit mysterious too, and him being pals with Dunkie?

Well. Leonardo was swimming in Renraku's Corporate pool for a while. Of course, now Loffie has him all locked up working for him, so ...

And then we have Sheila Blatavska/Alachia heading up the Atlantean Foundation ...

Telestrian probably has an IE somewhere around the board room.

Then there's Aina and Ehran hanging out with the Draco Foundation.

I would say that there is enough Corporate activity in the IE camp.

Well, that depends on whether Lofwyr thinks Leonardo has anything to offer him. Dragons don't seem to operate on the principle of "keep everything just in case you need it", at least where "thing" = "person". Note Hestaby's use of a potential bargaining chip as a light snack.

~J

There are the references to Sk's grid being "years" ahead of the current tech, being able to do things like montior and report on all of the matrix traffic coming through their grids. IIRC, it was referenced in SoE. Nothing really overt, just little hints of things coming through more advanced then expected, like Renraku before them.

I disagree, personally—I find yet another "let's kidnap and use" scenario boring. Of course, mileage varies.

~J

you disagree on the fate, or you disagree on how it should have been handled?

I'd like to see an IE or two die off, and I think Leo would be agodo oen to go, as I rather like Aina. Really like to see Alachia go out with a bang as well. But I think up to that point (pre Cresh) he should still be alive. As you say , YMMV.

Well, I don't share Fortune's opinion, but what I was saying was that I disagree with the statement "Leo being toast is boring".

~J

I like having a super smart IE, I like the idea of him taking on the persona. Not so sure that I like them being one and the same. I think I prefer the IE super genius being just a bit off his rocker so taht he impersonates people he likes.

And I still think Alachia should finally get killed. Big and spectacularly. Anything worth shooting once is worth emptying a clip into and then blowing up, or some such. Freaking Sirrug should just go eat her.

In some things, there is far greater pleasure in the destruction thereof then the retention.

I expect Hestaby gets the warm fuzzies when she thinks about that snack (assuming as a dragon, she is capable of feeling fuzzy). The memory is probably a far better addition to the hoard.

I figure she puts her memories into a memory crystal, takes it out and rubs it sometimes when she's feeling down.

Maybe Hestaby should set up Alachia to get killed by Sirrug. After all, she's been getting pretty good at manipulating people. And Alachia is still (well, until the whole "Tir Democracy" deal. Not a fan) involved with the Tir. Can't see her letting go of that easliy. So yeah, Hestaby should make some massive plot to get Sirrug to eat Alachia. Keep the slitch from playing in her back yard.

Well at least you care.

Alachia is named as Hecate in first Threats, and then in that clearance FAS A thingy, so that's FASA inclusive at least. Just because it was in some notes doesn't really make it canon, since it wasn't published, but Fanpro seems to have ran with it.

Maybe. OTOH, I find it hard to believe she'd post to Shadowland as Miss Tick to chide Elijah for not joining the AF.

Then again, the underlying premise of Aztlan that Jane-in-the-Box could somehow lock a bunch of immortals into the forum is pretty amusing. I can just imagine her sitting at a desk cursing out her terminal because ... uh ... she can't ... um ... do something with it.

God bless Nigel and his Bag of Crazy (it's like a Bag of Holding, but filled only with infinite amounts of crazy).

What would you expect them to do, have a decker jack in and possess them? I could see one or two perhaps. Didn't Dunk 'surf' through riding Jane w/ Dragon speech basically? I doubt they'd trust any decker on a hitcher jack.

The other ways to go would be that it's either Aina, or someone else never really revealed. Outside of the FASA clearance notes and Lou P, what do we have to go on?

You're right in the difference though.

There's the assumption that Alachia would be on Dunlie chat room in Atztlan

That she would follow up on Atlantis, with the Foundation

She's obviously someone who knows a shit load about magic because she debated Schwartzkopf in his class, which suggests someone from the 4th age, hence an IE.

The attitude copped in the Elijah post is more like Alachia than Aina (IMO)

I'm just pointing out the pros that lead to my conclusions. Believe me AH, I've learned better than to argue w/ you.

True, but we have confimation that Alachia is Hecate. And I am sure I recall confirmation (or something awefully close) that Hecate is Sheila, therefore it isn't really a stretch to figure that Alachia is Sheila.

There has never been, to the best of my recollection, any confirmation that Alachia is Sheila. I admit it ain't much of a stretch, but if you accept that Alachia is Sheila, that's at least half of her entry in Threats that's wrong anyway.

You know that this one issue is pretty much the only thing we have really disagreed on, again and again, over the years.

Just try asking him what he thinks of Hessler being an IE.

Spike baby.

Oh sure, make it nice and short for Fortune.

'cause ya' know he's described as an old elf, and that doesn't happen for a couple hundred years, and there's no other precedent for a hundred year old spike baby elf, since all the others were born in the 80's -90's and he seems to have all the sorts of over the top knowledge of an IE. just sayin' is all *ducks*

Maybe he's a powerful free spirit instead?

Doubt it, he works with a free spirit named Merlin

Aina, isn't she noted as looking appx 50 in DoSW?

Nice point on Luther though, haven't read that one in years. This is why I try to avoid debating you, but this one still bugs me.

And Ehran may well be. All that good natural living and non-soy food after all. Cool Oregon air and some nice rain....

Black Madonna he 'charged' Sutherland karma to Merlin for help. I'd think he'd cut him self in on the action if he was a spirit.

That's another good point, but people are doing stupid or unselfish actions every day - it's never stated that spirits are immune to this.