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MITJA3000+
Okay, it's canon that 25 immortal elves exist. I don't have Threats at hand so I can't check if it was about 25 or exactly 25. But it really doesn't make much difference, because AFAIK only 11 of them are known, 12 if you believe that Jenna Ni'Fairra is Alachia's daughter, not the bloody queen herself.

But where are the rest of them? There's about a dozen of immortal elves running around that nobody knows about. Couple of them are probably in Azania, but being oh-so-powerful as they are, I can't believe that none of them would have any influence with the megacorps.

So, let the speculation begin! Is Nadja Daviar one of them? Poor Juan of Aztlan? Domingo Ramos? Glasgian? Liam O'Connor?
Grinder
Liam O'Connor is a safe bet, imo.
Pthgar
Some could be in the Tir Na Nog faction. Since most SR material relating to IEs deal with Tir Tairngire and North America, they just haven't been introduced to us Yanks yet.

Edit: Although, being a faction unto oneself is almost integral to being an IE. nyahnyah.gif
Ancient History
I did make a list of possible immortals.
Grinder
Glasgian Oakforest - hmm, wasn't he around in the Bloodwood-sourcebook? Have to check that.
Ancient History
No, you're thinking of his father, Aithne Oakforest.
Grinder
Yeah, I did. But Glasgian sounds so familiar to me.
lorechaser
Did you include Fortune on the list?

And maybe a few have been knocked off, eh?

The Inmortal Orks vs the Immortal Elves?
Ancient History
There is no immortal ork. Or immortal dwarf. Why is it no one ever talks about an immortal troll, hmm? You're all racist.
Fortune
Would the downcycle hunter that Sirrurg fried on the plane be counted among the 'infamous 25'?

Incidently, where do you get this exact, definitive number?
Fortune
QUOTE (Ancient History)
You're all racist.

Well, I am! nyahnyah.gif wink.gif
Ancient History
The original Threats said 25. Given we've slightly over a dozen 'confirmed' IEs, that still leaves a fair number of open slots.
Wounded Ronin
You know what the problem with being immortal is? The longer you live the greater the odds that you'll get hit by a falling girder.
Ophis
QUOTE (Ancient History)
There is no immortal ork. Or immortal dwarf. Why is it no one ever talks about an immortal troll, hmm? You're all racist.

Denial eh? What are you trying to cover. Why shouldn't there be immortal anything else? It would be fun and interesting, particularly with how Garlthrik has done it.
Tanegar
QUOTE (Grinder)
Liam O'Connor is a safe bet, imo.

Source(s), please. Tír na nÓg for SR2 says only that Liam went off the grid, apparently having Walked the Path of the Rígh back to the Northern Islands.
Dog
Don't worry Lorechaser, I got the joke.
Fortune
Me too, but I ain't saying anything about it. nyahnyah.gif biggrin.gif
Slithery D
QUOTE (Tanegar)
QUOTE (Grinder @ Dec 11 2006, 04:57 PM)
Liam O'Connor is a safe bet, imo.

Source(s), please. Tír na nÓg for SR2 says only that Liam went off the grid, apparently having Walked the Path of the Rígh back to the Northern Islands.

Common sense. Tir Na Nog says he lead a resistance force that knew how to perform elemental strikes in 2011-12. Plain old spike babies were born before the Awakening, but they weren't gifted with instantaneous trained magical ability the day Ryumyo woke up.
Tanegar
QUOTE (Slithery D)
Common sense. Tir Na Nog says he lead a resistance force that knew how to perform elemental strikes in 2011-12. Plain old spike babies were born before the Awakening, but they weren't gifted with instantaneous trained magical ability the day Ryumyo woke up.

I'm not sure about that. There's some shadowtalk in Tír na nÓg speculating that Liam's own book, Walking to the Light, which detailed the Paths, was written from memories of his past lives. It's my understanding that immortal elves are not reincarnated, but rather are immortal in the sense of never dying. Is that not the case?
ShadowDragon8685
Tanegar - that is my understanding. But then you must also understand that a person can be said to have multiple lives that are corporeally and contemporaally concatenated - IE, you stop being someone and become someone else when you take up a new identity on a permenant basis.

IE: If we assume that Shakespear was an IE, then the life of the Bard would be said to be one of that given IE's "past lives".


Plus, I'm pretty sure there's at least one IE out there who goes by the alias 'Ancient History'. I mean, the bugger knows too much not to be an IE - otherwise someone would've dropped a girder on him.
NightmareX
QUOTE (Tanegar)
I'm not sure about that. There's some shadowtalk in Tír na nÓg speculating that Liam's own book, Walking to the Light, which detailed the Paths, was written from memories of his past lives. It's my understanding that immortal elves are not reincarnated, but rather are immortal in the sense of never dying. Is that not the case?

Dude, their elves - hence they lie their asses off every time they open their mouths. It's habitual. Also explains the need for a higher than average Charisma wink.gif
eidolon
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Emphasis mine.

Thanks.
lorechaser
QUOTE (Dog)
Don't worry Lorechaser, I got the joke.

I was hoping. I was kinda proud of it.

I was also curious about that, though - wouldn't there be groups out there specifically dedicated to taking out the IEs? I mean, seriously - they're like elves x1000. You probably just want to hit them in the face as soon as you're within a mile of them, right?
MITJA3000+
QUOTE (lorechaser)

I was also curious about that, though - wouldn't there be groups out there specifically dedicated to taking out the IEs? I mean, seriously - they're like elves x1000. You probably just want to hit them in the face as soon as you're within a mile of them, right?

But the average joe doesn't know about immortal elves. Lone Gunman might be the only mortal that knows of their existence, at least when you read the Threats chapter about them, it seems that the majority of the shadowposters think he's crazy. Dragonhunters, on the other hand, know that the dragons indeed did hibernate, as Dunkelzahn told the world about it in Wyrm Talk, IIRC. There are also many myths concerning dragons and none concerning immortal pointy ears, AFAIK.
MITJA3000+
And sorry eidolon. About the topic title I mean.
Dawnshadow
Correct me if I'm wrong, but most legends about elves have them as "ageless"? Not immortal, but unaging, subject only to the ailments of the spirit (also called depression and melancholy)?

Doesn't that sound like an immortal elf? I mean, you can kill them, but unless they get depressed and throw themselves into a volcano or something, they aren't going to die on their own.

Kagetenshi
Varies. Elves in the Anglo-Germanic sense come from the same mythological stock as pixies, sprites, faeries, and that sort of thing, where "age" is pretty much meaningless. In the Norse sense (which is closer to what Elves are in SR) are minor godlings and something that a person can become after death, so again age is just about meaningless. Occasionally we see old Elves, but I'm not sure there's ever been an account of an Elf dying of old age or getting old—then again, I'm hardly well-versed in the material.

Anyway, I'm not sure we can draw any conclusions from pre-Tolkeinic myths. They're just too obviously different from SR Elves.

~J
hyzmarca
Understand that most IEs have nearly or completely maxed out multiple Earthdawn-era Disciplines. Punching one in the face is not wise.
ShadowDragon8685
Sure it is.

Hey, it worked for Sisco. One good right hook. BAM!
RunnerPaul
QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685)
Hey, it worked for Sisco. One good right hook. BAM!

That's because Avery Brooks has taken his Bad-ass stat to the human racial max. (this was back while he was playing Hawk on Spenser: For Hire)
ShadowDragon8685
Racial Maximum? I'm pretty sure he took the Improved Attribute edge to raise the max. smile.gif
Kesslan
Well I'm sure some are left 'unnamed' for good reason. So GMs can just make them up and if the PCs get a hardon for killing said IE and actually manage to do so it doesnt FUBAR anything at all.

I mean look at all the dragons, sure theres alot of greats named, quite a few lesser dragons, but it's constantly implied that there are a whole lot more of them (I mean hell there's even what's his name again, Damien or something who goes clubbing with 'normal people', invites em over and does god knows what else with 'mere mortals')

For all we know one of the unamed IEs is a porn simstar.
lorechaser
QUOTE (Dawnshadow)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but most legends about elves have them as "ageless"? Not immortal, but unaging, subject only to the ailments of the spirit (also called depression and melancholy)?

Well, and to Panzer Assault Cannons.....

Or, yes, Avery Brooks.

Man, I need to go watch DS:9 again. Best Trek Ever.

Being that I love conspiracies, in my games (if it ever came up) there would certainly be an anti-IE group. They would probably be even *more* secretive than the IEs, since the IEs are pretty tough, and could likely take them out.

Think the Watchers, from Highlander the TV Show - they're a smaller group that knows about the Immortals, and watches them. Some Immortals don't even know about them....
Ophis
The Black Lodge covers that angle already.
fistandantilus4.0
QUOTE (Dawnshadow)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but most legends about elves have them as "ageless"? Not immortal, but unaging, subject only to the ailments of the spirit (also called depression and melancholy)?

Well Aina is described in DoSW as looking to be in her fifties IIRC
smoking-mirror
Domingo Ramos....

uh uh !!

this one is depicted in AZTLAN sb, if ever someone knows of other source material and reference concerning this elf i'm mucho interested !!

the way i scan it : Good old Ding is secretive enough to be a IE. The argument between Harlequin and the other IE present on the secret forum transcript along side the Aztlan SB suggest this. Giving to gms to effectively turn him into a IE.

lifestyle and habits and the fact that this one owns 5% of the bigA being the son of one of the corp creator makes him a very interesting character.

does anyone knows anything about Ramos personal history ? was he a spike baby? when did he transform to elf ? what are his whereabouts ?
fistandantilus4.0
wasn't Ramos the son of one of the founders of ORO? I don't think he's an IE.
smoking-mirror
sory i was too fast on this one Ding is the son of Julio Ramos fondator of AZT (post edited)

you mean "i dont choose to think...", is there any source confirming or infirming the fact that he's "gifted" or not ?
Fortune
QUOTE (smoking-mirror)
when did he transform to elf ?

You don't 'transform into' an elf (or dwarf). They are born ... not goblinized.
ShadowDragon8685
QUOTE (Fortune)
QUOTE (smoking-mirror @ Dec 15 2006, 12:49 AM)
when did he transform to elf ?

You don't 'transform into' an elf (or dwarf). They are born ... not goblinized.

You can SURGE into an Elf.
smoking-mirror
"you don't transform to elf" eek.gif

really ?

where speaking here of a man-elf born....what's the guy birth date btw?

ORO was founded in 2007, let's conjecture Julio Ramos age was around 40 (maturiy age for a drug lord?) at this time, Domingo could have been born anytime between the 80's and 2020.....if ever Ding took his first breath around 2012 (convenient isn't it?) he's been born with pointy ears nope? in this case he may be an IE

but he could have changed into an elf later during one of the SURGE waves, thus he NOT an IE.
Ancient History
Domingo Ramos was already an elf during the period of the Aztlan sourcebook, which is years before SURGE. I believe you can safely rule out SURGE.
Tanegar
Qu'est-ce que c'est "SURGE?"
Moon-Hawk
Don't forget there's always the possibility that he's just a spike baby.
smoking-mirror
think it's exactely what i suggested before.....or my english is this bad ?

Blade
@Tanegar : In case you're serious about it (and not just rejecting Surge as a lot of players/GM do) Surge is something that happened during the "Year of The Comet" (2060, when Haley's Comet was close to the Earth). Basically, some people started changing in new and strange ways (growing horns, fur or even stranger things). Some people also gobelinized into trolls and orks.

It was translated as "GRIME" in French, thus the joke :
- Qu'est-ce qu'un (méta)humain avec une fourrure jaune qui sent le citron ?
- Une victime de la GRUME.

For our non-french speaking friends, it's kinda hard to translate it... The best I can do is adapt it this way :
- What's a (meta)human who suddenly starts yelling at everyone ?
- A victim of the SARGE.

(Yeah it's about as bad in French)
Fortune
QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685 @ Dec 15 2006, 01:07 AM)
You can SURGE into an Elf.

No. You can SURGE into an ork or troll, or change from any metahuman to any of their metavariants, or vice versa. What you can't do is goblinize or SURGE into an elf or dwarf.
Fix-it
Jimi Hendrix and Kurt Kobain were both IEs.
lorechaser
QUOTE (Fix-it)
Jimi Hendrix and Kurt Kobain were both IEs.

Every famous rock star that died at 27 is an IE.

That includes Cobain, Hendrix, Joplin, Morrison, and others.

See http://www.yuppiepunk.org/2005/03/rock-sta...dead-at-27.html

BrianL03
QUOTE (lorechaser)
QUOTE (Fix-it @ Dec 15 2006, 01:35 PM)
Jimi Hendrix and Kurt Kobain were both IEs.

Every famous rock star that died at 27 is an IE.

That includes Cobain, Hendrix, Joplin, Morrison, and others.

See http://www.yuppiepunk.org/2005/03/rock-sta...dead-at-27.html

So that's where Hendrix went! He just got a sex change and became that black elf chica that works for Draco!
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