NightmareX
Jan 12 2007, 10:04 AM
| QUOTE (Grinder) |
| I doubt that any NAN-nation will give permission for UCAS troops to move through. |
Moving through wouldn't be an issue - just airlift enough troops into Fort Lewis (already an established beachhead) to do the deal.
| QUOTE (SL James) |
"And the United States is just going to let Hawai'i secede, which is the headquarters of the Pacific Fleet and houses bases for all branches, without using military forces to bring it back to the fold? Right."
And yet that's exactly what they did. Although for good measure Ares reminded the Navy that it could kill a carrier battle group within a few seconds just to make sure this point was crystal clear: Hawai'i is seceding and fuck you if you think you can stop it. |
Very true, but that was a different situation. It was entirely possible that the NAN as whole might support Hawai'ian independance. I can't recall what year that was, but the NANs were definitely in better shape for military (and more importantly magical) action then than they are now. Plus, as you noted, Ares and corp support in general made a difference, something that Seattle could have very easily but I think most people would rather avoid (since support = influence = dominance).
And finally, that was without the New Revolution at the helm of the UCAS. Changes a lot of things that does.
Grinder
Jan 12 2007, 10:46 AM
| QUOTE (NightmareX) |
| QUOTE (Grinder) | | I doubt that any NAN-nation will give permission for UCAS troops to move through. |
Moving through wouldn't be an issue - just airlift enough troops into Fort Lewis (already an established beachhead) to do the deal.
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Wouldn't they need a permission for moving through air space too?
NightmareX
Jan 12 2007, 10:53 AM
| QUOTE (Grinder) |
| Wouldn't they need a permission for moving through air space too? |
Apparently they already have it, since Runners Havens notes that there is a troop build up going on in Fort Lewis at the moment already IIRC.
Grinder
Jan 12 2007, 11:32 AM
Damn, I'm not familiar enough with RH.
Mistwalker
Jan 12 2007, 12:03 PM
There is a big difference from troops moving from different parts of UCAS, to parts of UCAS, and UCAS troops crossing NAN territory after Seattle declares independance.
NAN could easily say no, at least not let any more troops thru, while their "lawyers" and "politicians" examine the situation. NAN would probably like Seattle to be independant.
The Corps would probably like to see Seattle independant, as it is easier for them to manipulate small countries / city states, than it is for them to do so to big countries.
Besides, UCAS is supposed to be democratic. So, if part votes to separate, what could be more democratic....
Mistwalker
Jan 12 2007, 12:07 PM
I voted for the Economy.
Most people lives their lives in small areas, happy as long as they can put food and toys on the table, have a reasonable amount of freedom.
So, with the economy singing along, most won't care who is in office, or pay much attention. Look at what voter turnout is like today. I would imagine it will be worse in the futur. In part, because I don't think Corp citizens can vote, as they are not citizens of their country of birth or residence.
SL James
Jan 12 2007, 11:52 PM
| QUOTE (NightmareX @ Jan 12 2007, 04:04 AM) |
| QUOTE (SL James) | "And the United States is just going to let Hawai'i secede, which is the headquarters of the Pacific Fleet and houses bases for all branches, without using military forces to bring it back to the fold? Right."
And yet that's exactly what they did. Although for good measure Ares reminded the Navy that it could kill a carrier battle group within a few seconds just to make sure this point was crystal clear: Hawai'i is seceding and fuck you if you think you can stop it. |
Very true, but that was a different situation.
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No, not really. Seattle isn't going to secede unless the UCC allows it.
As for JTF-Seattle, it was moved into Seattle under exigent circumstances that, among other things, threatened the survival of a good chunk of SSC. That motive no longer exists, and the magnanimity it and Sioux (especially) shows by even letting military aircraft fly from the mainland to Seattle is tempered by the relative infrequency and the low numbers--low enough to kill with SAMs. I mean, seriously, even commercial flights would be suspect in spite of their obligations to permit them to fly over simply because, well, a military founded on principles of guerrilla and unconventional warfare will have studied up on how the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan. And in case you never noticed during the retelling of the story of 9/11, at any given time there are thousands of airplanes over the continental U.S. NOW. By 2070 that number would be much higher with the proliferation of smaller jets flying private and corporate passengers and packages across the continent.
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