I was a little bored tonight, so here are those numbers. I used Patrick Goodman's average metahuman weights. Keep in mind that these figures don't account for anything other than the shooter's mass as a means of absorbing recoil energy. They also don't account for the fact that a troll likely couldn't get his finger into a standard S&W 500 trigger guard, so there's no additional weight added to the gun itself allowing for the required big-ass, troll paw grip. The gun's weight could easily double in that case, bringing our tolerance (quotient) down to 0.0194, equal to the human with a Beretta 92FS.
.500 S&W Magnum
Bullet Weight: 440 grains
Velocity: 1654 fps
Powder: 38 grains H110
Gun: 5.1 lbs (S&W 500 Hunter)
Recoil = 42 fpe
Troll: 1,083 lbs
42/1083 = 0.0387
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Gun: 10.2 lbs (500 California Übertrolles)
Recoil = 21 fpe
Troll: 1,083 lbs
21/1083 = 0.0194
9mm Parabellum
Bullet Weight: 124 grains
Velocity: 1150 fps
Powder: 5.5 grains Unique
Gun: 2.09 lbs (Beretta 92FS)
Recoil= 3 fpe
Human: 154 lbs
3/154 = 0.0194
.40 S&W
Bullet Weight: 180 grains
Velocity: 1045 fps
Powder: 7.8 grains Universal
Gun: 1.65 lbs (HK USP)
Recoil = 7 fpe
Human: 154 lbs
7/154 = 0.0454
10mm Automatic
Bullet Weight: 200 grains
Velocity: 1100 fps
Powder: 8.5 grains Blue Dot
Gun: 1.71 lbs (Glock 20)
Recoil = 10 fpe
Human: 154 lbs
10/154 = 0.0649
.45 ACP +P
Bullet Weight: 230 grains
Velocity: 927 fps
Powder: 8.7 grains No.5
Gun: 2.34 lbs (M1911A1)
Recoil= 6 fpe
Human: 154 lbs
6/154 = 0.0389
There you go.
Full Version: Ruger Super Warhawk picture
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| Fun factoids from another game: In the Deadlands: Hell on Earth post-apocalyptic sci-fi fantasy horror Western RPG, the standard-issue handgun for cyborgs serving with the Texas Rangers was the Dixie Arms M-2011A, firing a .60 Magnum round. It tended to break the wrists of non-cyborgs who tried to fire it. One Ranger 'borg, Curtis "Big Fifty" Harman, who specialized in hunting other 'borgs, apparently felt that this wasn't big enough. He had a custom handgun made that chambered .50 BMG ammo, and had his shooting arm modified to withstand the recoil. It's a pretty scary handcannon, as I recall. |
And you have yet to bring up that trollbuster from Bubblegum Crisis. 15.7mm, I believe.
Sobering stuff...
There's a picture of the Super Warhawk in Arsenal 2060 (the German Cannon Companion). If you're familiar with Trigun, think of Vash's .45 Long Colt - the Warhawk looks very similar to it.
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| There's a picture of the Super Warhawk in Arsenal 2060 (the German Cannon Companion). If you're familiar with Trigun, think of Vash's .45 Long Colt - the Warhawk looks very similar to it. |
I've heard that Arsenal 2060 has pics of just about everything in it. Any idea where I can order/purchase it? I'm in the states, and I don't think any hobby stores here would have it. What about the pics...would it be against the law to post any of those images?
Well, since Vash's revolver has a strong resemblance to the Mateba Model 6, The Super Warhawk probably does too.
more on the Mateba:
Mateba Arms Homepage
Another non-RPG/Anime page on the Mateba
Interesting info, but WHY?
Why would an obscure foreign revolver design bear the Ruger name in 2060? Did Ruger buy Mateba? Or perhaps the powers-that-be that laid out Arsenal 2060 just liked Ghost in the Shell.
more on the Mateba:
Mateba Arms Homepage
Another non-RPG/Anime page on the Mateba
Interesting info, but WHY?
Why would an obscure foreign revolver design bear the Ruger name in 2060? Did Ruger buy Mateba? Or perhaps the powers-that-be that laid out Arsenal 2060 just liked Ghost in the Shell.
The pictures fall under the same license, so yes: it's unlikely you'll get a posting of the pages.
As for finding a copy of a German release, you might consider contacting a gaming shop with an online presence in Germany and seeing how much they charge for international shipping.
Talk to someone posting on Dumpshock who resides in Germany and see what they can do.
-Siege
As for finding a copy of a German release, you might consider contacting a gaming shop with an online presence in Germany and seeing how much they charge for international shipping.
Talk to someone posting on Dumpshock who resides in Germany and see what they can do.
-Siege
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| Why would an obscure foreign revolver design bear the Ruger name in 2060? Did Ruger buy Mateba? Or perhaps the powers-that-be that laid out Arsenal 2060 just liked Ghost in the Shell. |
I doubt that Ruger would buy out Mateba. Beretta, being the largest European small arms manufacturer, as well as being based in the same country and only 90-ish miles away, could have done so long ago and would be a lot more likely to in the future. I'm betting on the latter option.
Another thing that doesn't make much sense there is that the Mateba is an automatic revolver (suggesting SA mode) while the Super Warhawk is SS mode (suggesting single action). *shrug*
I thought the major argument for the Warhawk was the combination of:
Recoil and SA, not strictly SA?
The 1911 is a single-action weapon, but I think it would classify as a SA pistol in SR terms.
-Siege
Recoil and SA, not strictly SA?
The 1911 is a single-action weapon, but I think it would classify as a SA pistol in SR terms.
-Siege
Some people like to rationalize the use of SS mode in this case as excessive recoil; the gun simply can not be fired twice in a Phase because it recoils too much. Others like to say it's just a single action revolver. I'm one of the latter. I think using SS mode as a way to deal with excessive recoil is a bad idea because what is excessive to one person may not be excessive to others (as demonstrated above, Troll with the .500 Magnum.)
There's a big difference between a single action semi-automatic pistol and a single action revolver. Even though the trigger mechanism of the 1911 is single action (it only releases the hammer), upon recoil, the slide automatically recocks the hammer after every shot (SA mode). In a single action revolver, the hammer has to be cocked manually prior to each pull of the trigger. The hammer is not cocked automatically, ever. In other words, the reason that you can't fire the Super Warhawk twice in a Phase is because you have to manually cock it (using a Simple Action to "ready weapon") before you can fire it again (SS mode).
The Mateba revolver is very unusual in that it works like a DA/SA pistol (like the HK USP). It has a double action trigger, which, when pulled, first cocks and then releases the hammer. When the shot is fired, the cylinder/barrel assembly recoils on top of the frame. This motion is used to automatically rotate the cylinder to the next chamber and recock the hammer. Because of this, all subsequent shots are fired in single action mode. (For those who don't know, single action triggers are usually much lighter in pull weight than double action triggers, making it easier to make your shots accurate.)
There's a big difference between a single action semi-automatic pistol and a single action revolver. Even though the trigger mechanism of the 1911 is single action (it only releases the hammer), upon recoil, the slide automatically recocks the hammer after every shot (SA mode). In a single action revolver, the hammer has to be cocked manually prior to each pull of the trigger. The hammer is not cocked automatically, ever. In other words, the reason that you can't fire the Super Warhawk twice in a Phase is because you have to manually cock it (using a Simple Action to "ready weapon") before you can fire it again (SS mode).
The Mateba revolver is very unusual in that it works like a DA/SA pistol (like the HK USP). It has a double action trigger, which, when pulled, first cocks and then releases the hammer. When the shot is fired, the cylinder/barrel assembly recoils on top of the frame. This motion is used to automatically rotate the cylinder to the next chamber and recock the hammer. Because of this, all subsequent shots are fired in single action mode. (For those who don't know, single action triggers are usually much lighter in pull weight than double action triggers, making it easier to make your shots accurate.)
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