I wrote up an adept with missile mastery and power throw 5 who also has grenades. If i peg someone with a grenade, how should the mechanics work?

FYI Missile mastery only works on "non explosive weapons", it improves the DV of an improvised weapon, or something like a throwing knife.

Basically you are throwing a grenade ie airfoil.

Figure the range to target.

Roll your successes.

Figure your scatter.

Airfoil is 2d6 meters for scatter, each success reduces the scatter by -4 meters.

So three successes means your maximum scatter roll is reduced to zero.

If your grenades are timed, they go boom on your next turn action.

WearzManySkins

I think you misunderstand. I think what he's trying to ask is if a missile mastery character could use a non-aerodynamic grenade first as a non-explosive throwing weapon. Basically, pull the pin on a grenade, bean someone in the back of the head with it, and then have it go off. I'd treat it as a thrown cuball first. Do scatter based off of whether or not it hits the target or goes sailing past.

heh, interesting concept. first knock him out, then blow him up

hell, i would love to see a missile mastery adept based around the use of baseballs

KK made one of those. I don't remember the name though. Maybe we should ask her.

I think a Missile Mastery Adept utilizing bouncy balls and jacks would be more fun and more likely to pass security checkpoints. Oooh, or one using datasofts, hair picks, marbles, coins, pencils, holo-playing cards or even maglock keys would be cool. Shit, now you got me thinking up all kinds of cool stuff to start tossing at people.

The character concept also has him as a serious gambler, with an edge of 7. Combined with missile mastery, power throw 5, edge 7, he is great with dice for both gambling and killing (7P).

Well I would still use a airfoil grenade for this, greater range.

But you can use grenades in contact detonation mode. For the above situation I would put the grenade into contact mode.

If you hit the target, the grenade goes boom, the damage from being thrown and hitting the target.....I believe the explosives in the grenade will do more damage.

As for the damage from being hit, I use the damage from the sap weapon (Str/2+1), but use the range for non airfoil or airfoil depending upon which type you are using.

So Power throw basically adds 10 to your str, if your base str was a ((3+10)/2+1 rounding up is 7 then adding +1 from missile mastery. If your character had a str of 10 then the damage would be 12.

Under most cases the grenades explosion damage would be "better". But in an extreme case of str, you could kill the targeted NPC and the explosion take those around him/her.

As for scatter.....Never mind, this case I would only use scatter if you some how missed the intended target.

WearzManySkins

I don't think there is a contact detination mode.

Heh, reading about missile mastery makes me always think of two people. Bullseye, and the partner/assistant to modesty blaise (sp?).

Makes me think of Gambit too. Throwing Weapons 7 - Playing Cards Spec (+2)

Blue Raja, use cutlery as your throwing weapon.

But who wants to 'The Spleen' from that movie as a player character?

Sure, take a spell knack with a custom area effect spell thats something like agony or orgy but incapacitates due to a horrible stench.

How about a new thread with all the mystery men stated out? say 200bp's cause they all kinda sucked.

thing to remember about gambit is that playing cards was just a quick source of ammo, not a weapon in itself. now bullseye, he is known to kill people with the toss of a playing card...

as in, for gambit, its not the throw of the card thats the attack, its the possibility to release the stored energy of any available object.

ok, so it can be seen as semantics but still...

I figured as much since Gambit just had to touch something to infuse it with explosive power. He was also a gambler/thief so it was a signature move kinda thing for him, I think.

you have some interesting characters, kk

...thanks, that's what makes them enjoyable to play.

I had a player that wanted to build an adept that used nothing but thrown weapons. He wanted to somehow attach grenades to throwing spikes, throw them at people, have them lodge in them, and then explode. Never made the character in the end though.

heh, how about going for "boomsticks"? basically a stick with a mini-grenade as the tip

the scary thing is that a throwing adept can throw a bullet for more damage than shooting it.

yeah, but the range is crap and the rate of fire is crap. you could do the same thing a lot cheaper, build-wise, with an SMG on full-auto and a silence spell.

With power throw 5 and strength 1 you can throw a knife further than a light pistol can fire a bullet so a troll with strength of 5 and power throw 5 can throw it further.

Rate of fire is 2 per IP, until you have to use a simple action to ready more.

Granted I haven't play tested it, because the majority of my group find it a bit odd as well, so this is all the simple math as I see it.

...then you add the Quick Draw power (which Tomoe has) & you become the living semi automatic.

haha, wow. i think i'd tone that range down a bit, personally. not to mention the rate of fire--throwing an object is a big, slow motion.

...which is why you find some way to make it stick to your target (Kleen Tac? just don't glitch ).

...I've considered having Tomoe use her bat to knock grenades back towards the thrower. Don't know though if the severity of the hit wouldn't set the things off.

Now the fielding Angle, that would work if you had an action before the thrower's next IP. I would also say you would need the Quick draw power to ready & throw it back in the same pass you caught it. Otherwise like the fellow Cheops mentioned (tried to track down his name), you have the thing go off in your hand.

If the grenade is armed and in your hand we can assume that it is already readied. This is where Missile Parry and reflex enhancements come in handy.

IIRC there is/was a grenade referred to or called "Baseball" grenade. It was/is sphere with the lever arming mechanism on top.

The airfoil grenades would be harder to hit back, their airfoil shape.

sounds like the M-67, which is the standard grenade used by the US military today.

Yes that is the one I recall. Still using it after all these years.....

I recall speaking with some VN vets who tried replacing the comp B with other explosives like C 4.

But then they modified Claymores too, replaced the sheet containing the ball bearings with chains and other nice things.

funny how that page talk about it being good that a average soldier can throw it 40 meters given that the "casualty producing radius" (nice way to say wounded or killed) is 15 meters.

but then it talks about shrapnel being able to go as far as 230 meters.

how the hell does that match? ballistic trajectory or something?

sounds to me like while it can reliably wound or kill out to 15 meters, it can by value of freak accidents hit stuff much longer of.

hell, didnt someone get shot by a pistol from over a kilometer away at one time?

Assuming uniform shrapnel distribution, shrapnel density and, thus, wound probability, obeys the inverse-square law.

It could wound someone a 230 meters but it probably won't because at that range there is enough space between the shrapnel pieces to fit a modest-sized home. The probability of someone standing between the shrapnel at that range is far greater than the probability of someone being in the flight path of a piece of shrapnel at that range.

so if one manage to hit, its a extreme version of bad karma?

Wow, he blew his career but he saved 20 guys. (Pun intended )

...did a little more research on Mr. Spillane.

He was a Minor League prospect for the St Louis Cardinals.

He fielded two gernades on the fly & threw them back

According to the official casualty report from the Tarawa assault he was listed as WIA (not KIA).

Now there is a Cy Young candidate.