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marghos
QUOTE (Meriss)
@marghos: if you want to make it OOC, I don't mind. I was just trying to puzzle Woodward's mind set out.

I'd prefer OOC but I'm fine with IC, still there is this kinesics and influence problem (I don't have them) wink.gif
Meriss
Oh, okay. Why did I think you had them? Lemme check my copy of your sheet and tell you what rolls I'll accept from you.
DuckEggBlue Omega
QUOTE (Meriss)
Oh, okay. Why did I think you had them?

Because under Adept Powers on his character sheet it says:

QUOTE
Kinesics (lvl 3) (+3 to social tests) 1,5p

Maybe?

I think he meant HE doesn't have them even though the character does, hence the preference for social stuff to be done OOC.
Meriss
@DEBO: Oh, right. I knew that. dead.gif So tired.

@Marghos: Sorry misread your question. You may generate rolls at your leisure, I'll think of something to do/say.
marghos
QUOTE (Meriss)
Oh, okay. Why did I think you had them? Lemme check my copy of your sheet and tell you what rolls I'll accept from you.

I meat that I don't have them but Martin will... wink.gif

But still, lets see if i'm trying to get something out sir Edward them maybe there must be somekind High society roll, so Martin knows how to indtroduse his mission without too much huzzle wink.gif and maybe some things what Martin just learned from Basil

And again we go with these: Cha 4+ Influence group 2+ Kinesics 3 is there anything else?

After all chit chat Martin will try to think was sir Edward loyal to him and was he talkin' truthfully (Judge intentions 8 + kinesics 3 = 11 die)
ZenZen
@Voorhees & EBO:
Alright, I get your picture now. No Kroenen (so that was his name...I'm afraid the movie wasn't very memorable) then.
But Darth Vader? I never considered his breathing machine to be a gas mask, more like an iron lung, guess that's why he never made it into my mental picture of Bismarck.

On the flamethrower: there are rules for fire damage, so it shouldn't be too hard to come up with a WW1-style german "Flammenwerferapparat" if you really want to get messy. And very high-profile for that matter - will be hard to avoid drawing attention with one of those (in addition to being a walking, steaming and hissing man-machine chugging through the city, of course). Did you ask Meriss?

On a related matter: I hope 'marck never forgets to regularly restock on coal and water - would be very embarrassing to "chug forward, absorb gunshots and blows, and then" ...run out of steam.
Is his construction tender or tank style?


@Meriss:
I'm a tiny bit confused on what I was actually rolling now:
QUOTE (Meriss)
You have essentially all the info you could ever want on the White star lines. Roll Logic + intuition the seperate the wheat from the chaff.

QUOTE (Meriss IC)
Alexander spends a few minutes perusing the information Horace gathered for him. He absorbs it easily. Strangely enough he is confused, the Times article refers to a ship and shipping line. Whereas the information he read seemed to deal with a yacht based in Palma de Mallorca, which is in Spain. Somwhere there must have been a filing error. The dwarf wrinkles his brow in confusion.

QUOTE (Meriss)
You can try again if you wish, Horace might be able to find the real stuff this time.

So why was Horace messing up when Lex botched his 'sort through the info' roll?
Should we have rolled Horace's Logic+Librarian Skill instead (apart from the minor fact that my contacts aren't statted)?
Or is the IC part really just Lex horribly misreading the correct information (but then it's not a matter of 'Horace finding the real stuff this time'...)?
Some clarification would be great. Some more IC with Horace is fine as well (and next stop would be calling Travis for a quick 'tour' around the target locations before driving home).


By the way:
QUOTE (Meriss IC)
The club's main butler Peabody greets him and shows the army man to the smoking room where Sir Edward Woodward is waiting. "Well this is capital Martin. I said to Peabody that I am so often bereft of company now a days. Come, come, sit, take off your coat and hat. Peabody get Mr St. North's coat and hat. There's a good fellow.[...]"

Seems like you're really attached to that name, first trying to rename my librarian, now this... biggrin.gif
Meriss
@Zen: I was just playing with your botch. I figured that Lex is not the type to admit a mistake, so had him blaming Horace. If I'm wrong about Lex's personality I'm wrong. The info is there, Lex just missed it horribly. You can pull a "You incompetant peasant find me the proper information" *slap* if you like biggrin.gif and try a reroll.

As to the Peabody, it just seemed like an English style name, and I wanted to use it. biggrin.gif
Fresno Bob
QUOTE (ZenZen)
@Voorhees & EBO:
Alright, I get your picture now. No Kroenen (so that was his name...I'm afraid the movie wasn't very memorable) then.
But Darth Vader? I never considered his breathing machine to be a gas mask, more like an iron lung, guess that's why he never made it into my mental picture of Bismarck.

On the flamethrower: there are rules for fire damage, so it shouldn't be too hard to come up with a WW1-style german "Flammenwerferapparat" if you really want to get messy. And very high-profile for that matter - will be hard to avoid drawing attention with one of those (in addition to being a walking, steaming and hissing man-machine chugging through the city, of course). Did you ask Meriss?

On a related matter: I hope 'marck never forgets to regularly restock on coal and water - would be very embarrassing to "chug forward, absorb gunshots and blows, and then" ...run out of steam.
Is his construction tender or tank style?

Probably tank style.

As for coal and water, that would be part of lifestyle costs, no?
DuckEggBlue Omega
Are you sure? Because Bismark towing around a cart filled with water and coal is ENDLESSLY ammusing.

QUOTE
But Darth Vader? I never considered his breathing machine to be a gas mask, more like an iron lung, guess that's why he never made it into my mental picture of Bismarck.

Functionality never factored into it for me, I made a purely aesthetic connection between the front of Vader's helmet and a gasmask.

Awesome picture by the way, Voorhees.
ZenZen
@Meriss:
QUOTE (Meriss)
@Zen: I was just playing with your botch. I figured that Lex is not the type to admit a mistake, so had him blaming Horace. If I'm wrong about Lex's personality I'm wrong. The info is there, Lex just missed it horribly. You can pull a "You incompetant peasant find me the proper information" *slap* if you like biggrin.gif and try a reroll.

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It's true that Lex would never admit any kind of mistake when it comes to technical stuff, for less controversial (from his perspective) topics it's not as bad.
I honestly didn't imagine Horace to be as obsequious as you played him out, but the idea is really growing on me now, my geekish bookworm is a natural choice for that role, after all.
Besides, I never had a contact that I could push around much without risking to lose him/her (or worse) before, so: hell yeah, let's roll with it!
Good opportunity to play out Lex's ignorant side and a great way to deal with a critical glitch: blame somebody else and get away with it. ork.gif I like.

Rerolling:
[ Spoiler ]


Posting question:
When writing about a longer period of time, should the Place/Time designation at the top of the IC post show the beginning or the end of this timespan?


@Voorhees:
QUOTE (Voorhees)
Probably tank style.

Alas, too late.
Can't get rid of the mental picture with Bismarck and his trolley anymore.

QUOTE (Voorhees)
As for coal and water, that would be part of lifestyle costs, no?

I'd expect so. You need less food as well, with the absence of a lot of muscles and all. Does he remove his mask for eating or does he go for the blender/straw combo?


@Whom it may concern:
What's the IC activity status for everyone?
Critias seems to be waiting for legwork to finish, anyone else growing impatient with us slow folks?
I understand that DEBO is doing his part via PM (instead of, like, spoiler tags) - finished with that or still playing?
What's the Alex/fistan team up to? Still busy celebrating the extra Karma?



On a completely unrelated matter:
QUOTE (Meriss@Recruitment: Dunkelzahn Wants YOU!)
DIMR noticed his record and obvious willingness to take on paranomal threats and hired the idiot.

rotfl.gif Definitely the best of your 3 concepts. Can't ignore the occasional "Grail Quest".
QUOTE (DEBO@Recruitment: Dunkelzahn Wants YOU!)
I would've liked to play something unusual like a plucky janitor whose encyclopedic knowledgeof cleaning equipment and insecticides allowed him to save an underpriviledged high school from a bug shaman whilst teaching a group of wayward students some real lessons about life.

"whilst teaching a group of wayward students some real lessons about life" Says it all. biggrin.gif

You might have noticed already, I really want to play in that game as well, but I have enough trouble keeping up my current 2...*sigh*


[Edit: What the...? Why does everyone suddenly have to post while I'm still writing on my own manifest?
Now TEBO stole my mental picture and fistan made the IC thread move again after a week of not answering Alex, thus rendering part of my activity question outdated. I hope you're all having fun...mischievous bastards.

But while I'm at it:
QUOTE (EBO)
Because Bismark towing around a cart filled with water and coal is ENDLESSLY ammusing.

You're one to talk, playing the only other char with cyberlimbs...]
DuckEggBlue Omega
Yes, but Arthur uses an advanced automatic kinetic movement induced oscillating mass system to power his limbs, not a steam engine. Also, Cybertechnology 6 means he's allowed to pass judgement on cyberlimbs as far as I'm concerned.

And dibs on riding in the cart.

As for the roleplaying in PM instead of Spoiler Tags, I figured that since it only involved me and the GM, and some have remarked how keeping track of things might be difficult, I saw no reason to have the IC thread interrupted and jumping back and forth between yet another 'scene', especially one so out of sync, and thought I may aswell do it PM until we meet up again. Spoiler Tags give off a 'do not read feel', and I certainly don't want that. Besides which, I tend to think one of the advantages of a play-by-post CAN be that anyone can read it as a story without too much trouble and the saving up my post for later feeds into the IC aspect of Arthur wanting to show up and impress everyone with all the stuff he's done by himself to show how fantastic he is.
And no, not finished. Still on the night of the meet (see out of sync comment above), and currently waiting to see if Arthur gets mugged on his way home...


QUOTE (William Bruce Rose Jr.)
[Edit: What the...? Why does everyone suddenly have to post while I'm still writing on my own manifest?]

Another forum I use has a handy message that comes up to tell you that someone else has added to a thread since you pressed reply when you try to post, and gives you the chance to read that post and edit accordingly.

RE - Recruitment: Dunkelzahn Wants YOU!
What? 'Whilst' makes perfect sense there!

Yeah, I'd like to play (like different stuff, was going to play in that 'breaking the 4th wall' game that never started due to lack of interest and ofcourse there's THIS game), but read and post multiple times EVERY day? There's no way I can commit to that. Little odd to see that despite a call for decidely NONE Runner characters the number of characters that only differ from regular Runners in that their background ends 'and was then recruited by DIMR' rather than 'and then went into the Shadows', though the sample character being one of them is probably a good explanation. I too like Meriss' Gallahad, and the jinxed stuntdriver being followed by the accursed kitty.
Meriss
@Zen: Hey even pencilnecks have a breaking point. Carefully. If you want Horace to actively look over your shoulder you get a bonus hit.

On DIMR recruitment: Yeah I liked "Galahad" too, he'd be fun to play. Maybe I'll break him out elsewhere if Doc Funk don't want him.

Spoiler (The puppies frown.gif )
[ Spoiler ]


@Cyberlimbers: Yes Lifestyle cost include Coal and water. Most Limbs are tank based with a suprisingly good boiler life (They work until I say different. About a two day patch of normal use before refill, steady power lifting drops it to about 36 hours)

@Voorhess: You don't see anyone out of place. No one seems to be watching. Ic soon.
Fresno Bob
I've never really thought about how Bismarck would eat. I would imagine it would be hard to find nutrient-dense smoothies in the 1870s, so he probably just cuts his food into tiny pieces. As for the gas mask, he just lifts it up a bit to eat and sticks food under it. He takes it off to sleep, but he's loathe to show his face to people. I don't know if he's horribly scarred under it or not, though.
marghos
@Meriss: So uh, I forget to roll these. frown.gif But now here those rolls are:
[ Spoiler ]


Martin will small talk with sir Edward and ask is there some new version to his eyes, last time there was some talk about new developing project... etc etc. But still his main coal is to get something, that could help on this mission, out of sir Edward. But if it looks or Martin thinks that sir Edward could not help him he does not pursue those issues, its all small talk about business, family, World condition etc etc...
Critias
QUOTE
Critias seems to be waiting for legwork to finish, anyone else growing impatient with us slow folks?

I'm just chillin', waiting for a need to post, is all. Been busy lately with conventions and whatnot anyhow, so it's no biggie.
Fresno Bob
I don't suppose any of you saved Bismarck's background and questionnaire that I wrote? I was looking through this thread to actually save it on my computer, and it seems to be MIA.
ZenZen
@Meriss:
QUOTE (Meriss)
@Zen: Hey even pencilnecks have a breaking point. Carefully. If you want Horace to actively look over your shoulder you get a bonus hit.

embarrassed.gif Oops. Guess I went a bit overboard there with all the 'strong language', but it was an 'intel gathering' critical glitch after all, so when you let me roll again for the info, I had to transform it into a 'social glitch' instead. Can't just let this opportunity to humiliate my own char pass by, after all. devil.gif
I take it your IC means I get the bonus hit?
Oh, and 'breaking point' as in 'breaking down, crying' or as in 'breaking down, doing the berserk thing'?


Hate to repeat myself, but you forgot to address this:
QUOTE (myself @ last post)
Posting question:
When writing about a longer period of time, should the Place/Time designation at the top of the IC post show the beginning or the end of this timespan?

Addendum: Or something like '9:00AM - 11:00AM' or several time designations in a post?



@Whom it may concern on the completely unrelated matter:
QUOTE (IEBO)
Yeah, I'd like to play (like different stuff, was going to play in that 'breaking the 4th wall' game that never started due to lack of interest and ofcourse there's THIS game), but read and post multiple times EVERY day? There's no way I can commit to that.

*nods* I know the feeling and I blame the abominable concept called RL.
And yes, 'Breaking the 4th Wall" sounded like a lot of mad fun, I read about it after recruitment had already died.
Would've been a bit confusing though, using 3rd Ed rules - since working my way through the 4th Ed ruleset, I can't seem to remember the old stuff at all (although I'm pretty sure most of my memory would return from its retirement when I flip through the old books again...).
QUOTE (IEBO)
Little odd to see that despite a call for decidely NONE Runner characters the number of characters that only differ from regular Runners in that their background ends 'and was then recruited by DIMR' rather than 'and then went into the Shadows'[...]

biggrin.gif Heh, yes. Guess it's harder to roleplay a 'normal' person than some ass-kicking outlaw (or just char creation habit working its repetitive magic).
QUOTE (IEBO)
I too like Meriss' Gallahad, and the jinxed stuntdriver being followed by the accursed kitty.

Yeah, the kitty was cute, but it reminded me quite a lot at one of my own old chars, though in his case it was a cursed amulet he got stuck with (read: it stuck to his chest, literally growing on him).

Now that Alex and fistan got selected (unlike us woeful rejected or time-constrained bunch), what if we gang up on them and make their lives miserable?



@Critias:
QUOTE (Critias)
I'm just chillin', waiting for a need to post, is all. Been busy lately with conventions and whatnot anyhow, so it's no biggie.

Good to hear.
*calls out to everyone else* "Hear that, guys? No need to rush the next couple of months, let's all get really familiar with every last one of our contacts and minutely explore their personality, quirks and relationships."



@Voorhees:
QUOTE (Voorhees)
I've never really thought about how Bismarck would eat.

No probs, that's what you got me for: to ask all the questions that are way too important for anyone else to imagine them.

QUOTE (Voorhees)
I don't know if he's horribly scarred under it or not, though.

Maybe he's just so incredibly handsome underneath that a pack of screaming groupies would follow him everywhere, blowing any chance of undercover work. Although the induced mass fainting might come in handy in certain situations...

QUOTE (Voorhees)
I don't suppose any of you saved Bismarck's background and questionnaire that I wrote? I was looking through this thread to actually save it on my computer, and it seems to be MIA.

Cracking several ECHELON servers produced the following questionnaire, short physical description and background on Wilhelm Herzog:
[ Spoiler ]




@IEBO:
QUOTE (IEBO)
As for the roleplaying in PM instead of Spoiler Tags, I figured that since it only involved me and the GM, and some have remarked how keeping track of things might be difficult, I saw no reason to have the IC thread interrupted and jumping back and forth between yet another 'scene', especially one so out of sync, and thought I may aswell do it PM until we meet up again. Spoiler Tags give off a 'do not read feel', and I certainly don't want that. Besides which, I tend to think one of the advantages of a play-by-post CAN be that anyone can read it as a story without too much trouble and the saving up my post for later feeds into the IC aspect of Arthur wanting to show up and impress everyone with all the stuff he's done by himself to show how fantastic he is.

Alright, looking forward to your fantastic show-off post then.

Although I still prefer the parallel posting approach, I mean, it's not like your phone-line tapping and whatever-else-you-wanted-to-do is any more out of sync than Lex blundering in the library or 'marck chugging around the warehouse, or is it?

On spoiler tags: despite their name, I don't hesitate opening them at all unless they're in a game I play in (and 1 click is hardly what I'd call 'too much trouble' when reading other games) and I always mark the ones with 'secret' gm discussions as such to discourage fellow players from spoiling potential surprises for themselves - you remember the puppies, don't you?

QUOTE (IEBO)
And no, not finished. Still on the night of the meet (see out of sync comment above), and currently waiting to see if Arthur gets mugged on his way home...

Umm, you mean 'not finished' like in 'hardly even started'? Well, let's see how much time it takes to get Critias really annoyed then...

QUOTE (IEBO)
Another forum I use has a handy message that comes up to tell you that someone else has added to a thread since you pressed reply when you try to post, and gives you the chance to read that post and edit accordingly.

While definitely a step in the right direction, what I really need is a handy lockdown of the whole thread from the moment I press 'reply' to the moment I 'submit', though (doesn't need to apply to other posters as well).

QUOTE (myself)
QUOTE (DEBO@Recruitment: Dunkelzahn Wants YOU!)
I would've liked to play something unusual like a plucky janitor whose encyclopedic knowledgeof cleaning equipment and insecticides allowed him to save an underpriviledged high school from a bug shaman whilst teaching a group of wayward students some real lessons about life.

"whilst teaching a group of wayward students some real lessons about life" Says it all. biggrin.gif

QUOTE (IEBO)
What? 'Whilst' makes perfect sense there!

*evil chuckle* It certainly does.
Which is why I emphasized it.
And why I explicitly lauded the second (which did the job of turning your fun idea into a classic) part of your concept.
*even more evil chuckling*
Yet you interpret my acclaim as an attack.
That's most intriguing - this level of paranoia can only mean my sinister plan is inescapably nearing fruitition...my corruptive seeds have firmly taken root in your very being now.
*rubbing hands evil genius-style* Excellent. Now for Phase II...

QUOTE (IEBO)
Yes, but Arthur uses an advanced automatic kinetic movement induced oscillating mass system to power his limbs, not a steam engine.

Alright, that just calls for a translation:
advanced = has a flashy name and/or was seriously screwed up before, some minor fixes included now
automatic = quoting oxford dictionary: "adj. 1 (of a machine) working by itself without direct human control"
kinetic movement induced = needs to be kicked/pushed by someone to move
oscillating mass = it wobbles
To sum it up:
Your buggy limbs need to be shoved around and then wobble uncontrollably, but hey, they got a flashy name!

Way to go.
Consider me impressed.
Meriss
@Zen: Lord talk about stream of conciuosness posts. Horace is nowwhere even close to his personal breaking point as for what happens when he reaches it, well....... vegm.gif Yes take the bonus hit. Are you ready to move on?

On Post Time: I've been using the Time stamp as a division and marker to help me keep you lot straight. It usually moves according to the last action taken IC so the last action taken by your char or the actual span is fine.

@Voorhees: Are you actually going to try and enter the office right now?

@Critias: Sorry if it seemed like I was ignoring you. I was just waiting to post IC for Han when the others caught up to you.

@Marghos: Did Martin have specific questions about the listed topics for Sir Ed? Or were you just trying for as much info as possible?

@Fist: You wanted an assensing roll on the Baker street place and occupants right? No major mods are in force, go ahead.

@Alex: A normal middle class family could not afford any servants in the Victorian age. (Unless my sources are leading me wrong) My mega inflation means that wages are through the roof as well, making it that more difficult.
ludomastro
QUOTE (Meriss)
@Alex: A normal middle class family could not afford any servants in the Victorian age. (Unless my sources are leading me wrong) My mega inflation means that wages are through the roof as well, making it that more difficult.

For some reason, I had it in my head that this was a wealthy family. Oh well.
Meriss
Meh These things happen. Perhaps you were thinking of the Johansenns over on Chantry Street? Nice Three Stooges ref BTW LOL!
ludomastro
QUOTE (Meriss)
Meh These things happen. Perhaps you were thinking of the Johansenns over on Chantry Street? Nice Three Stooges ref BTW LOL!

Thank you for noticing.
Meriss
Trust me. when folks drop the odd bit of humour in a otherwise "straight" game, I notice. Thanks for the chuckle, 1 CSP to you for making me smile.
marghos
QUOTE (Meriss)
Did Martin have specific questions about the listed topics for Sir Ed? Or were you just trying for as much info as possible?

@Meriss: I'll think that Martin is just fishin' but maybe he will casually mention these two names mr. Brookes (and his other names Martin just find out from Basil) and this poor old Dursley, as baits. If sir Edward has heard something about them, or if he has ever worked with them... But nothin' too specific about them he's maybe doing some job to them, if they are trustfully coves...
Fresno Bob
QUOTE (Meriss)
@Voorhees: Are you actually going to try and enter the office right now?

Yep. No guts, no glory, you know?
Meriss
@Voorhees: Brave man walking into my tra.... um... totally innoccent warehouse. vegm.gif

@Gaslampers: Jobbing again so my post rate may drop. I'll try and have ICs up on Monday.
DuckEggBlue Omega
@Meriss: No problem. I myself was unable to reply to your PM for the last few days (sorry) as I was distracted by a local gaming convention (where I attempted to run SR), so it would be hypocritical of me say otherwise.

@ZenZen: You know, if your posts were shorter, there'd be less chance of someone posting while you typed it up...

QUOTE
Umm, you mean 'not finished' like in 'hardly even started'?

No, 'not finished' does not mean 'hardly even started'. Arthur went straight to a contact's house after the meet, and was heading home AFTER that. All I need is confirmation from Meriss that Arthur got done what he wanted to do and what rolls I need to make, and I will be on the 16th, chatting to my next contact. Clicking a spoiler tag isn't too much trouble, but following several different interspliced conversations could be. I could post completed meetings as I go rather than 2 whole days - if you REALLY don't trust me working behind closed doors against yo... I mean... for the benefit of the whole team.

QUOTE
*rubbing hands evil genius-style* Excellent. Now for Phase II...

Though I did think the bolding was trying to imply there was something wrong with the use of the word 'whilst', I would have said it was more confusion than paranoia, you mutant commie traitor scum.

QUOTE
Your buggy limbs need to be shoved around and then wobble uncontrollably, but hey, they got a flashy name!

Way to go.
Consider me impressed.

As you should be. Ofcourse, you'd think someone [playing a self acclaimed scientific genius and reader of 'Articles on the Application of the Clockwork Apparatus' would atleast recognise the big word name for an auto-winder. The system includes a slipping spring which is wound by a weight (mass) that moves back and forth (oscillating) whenever the subject moves (kinetic movement induced), recycling the energy of the limbs supplemented by energy harnessed from the subjects remaining natural limbs, without the subject manually winding the system (automatic). This version is precisely engineered for maximum efficiency and minimal impact on the subjects quality of life (advanced), a vast improvement on earlier models. Ofcourse such a system probably wouldn't work on someone like Bismark, though the idea of using the heart and blood pressure to supplement the system in the case of a full body replacement is an idea Arthur has been experimenting with, with limited success (it's messy and presents a number of complications). Steam does offers more power though, and Bismark's implants are quite impressive in this area, even if they are, in Arthur's expert opinion, somewhat innefficient and unsophisticated which in itself has it's advantages since "unsophisticated" machinery has less that can go wrong with it, increasing reliability, an important factor in all military hardware.

Or atleast, that's how I've imagined things working. The GM or Voorhees may disagree.
Meriss
@DEBO: NP glad to have you back.

On your limbs: Actually you explanation makes sense to me. Your limbs function similar to those nifty Eco Drive watches, right?
ZenZen
@Meriss:
QUOTE (Meriss)
@Zen: Lord talk about stream of conciuosness posts.

*bows politely* Thanks.
You know, if I started splitting those posts into average sized pieces, I'd actually be speeding up on the path of ruin we all have to follow here.
Honestly, I don't ever want to become a 'Great Dragon' - people get way too cautious about them (what with all the negative propaganda around...).
As for 'Immortal Elves'...yuck! sarcastic.gif Just ...ewww.
Nah, I'm happy being a 'Target' - more rebounds and ricochets possible this way. biggrin.gif

QUOTE (Meriss)
Are you ready to move on?

Sure, want to give Horace some final (well, for this time at least) lines or should I just have Lex sneak out?

QUOTE (Meriss)
Horace is nowwhere even close to his personal breaking point as for what happens when he reaches it, well.......vegm.gif

Do I see a carrot dangling on a stick in front of me? Quite a tempting offer you present...

QUOTE (Meriss)
On Post Time:[...] It usually moves according to the last action taken IC so the last action taken by your char or the actual span is fine.

Right. No major reason for edits then.

QUOTE (Meriss)
Trust me. when folks drop the odd bit of humour in a otherwise "straight" game, I notice.
Thanks for the chuckle, 1 CSP to you for making me smile.

Curses, guess I'll have to switch to literary references then (Difficult, those. No way to know if the other person read that particular book as well...).



@Voorhees:
QUOTE (Voorhees)
Yep. No guts, no glory, you know?

You're lucky that Bismarck still got his guts stuffed somewhere then. Not much else of him left, after all...

Did you find the part dedicated to you hidden in my rather ..oversized last post?



@DEBO:
QUOTE (DEBO)
I was distracted by a local gaming convention (where I attempted to run SR)

That sounds like there's a story behind it. Care to share?

QUOTE (IEBO)
@ZenZen: You know, if your posts were shorter, there'd be less chance of someone posting while you typed it up...

Pfft. Stop bothering me with your unreasonable theories, will you?

QUOTE (DEBO)
Clicking a spoiler tag isn't too much trouble, but following several different interspliced conversations could be.

Guess it's just me and my plethora of personalities being used to following our disjointed discussions then.

QUOTE (DEBO)
[...]you mutant commie traitor scum.

embarrassed.gif *bashful* Why, you're quite the Don Juan, Mr. Duck, flattering me like this... *winks*


Regarding those limbs:
QUOTE (DEBO)
Or atleast, that's how I've imagined things working. The GM or Voorhees or this other entity whose name shall not be spoken may disagree.

Fixed.

QUOTE (Meriss)
Actually you explanation makes sense to me. Your limbs function similar to those nifty Eco Drive watches, right?

From his description, yes.
The problem being that he tries to apply auto-winder technology to Cyberlimbs (with superhuman strength 7, no less) instead of a small watch, where it only has to power a handful of small cogwheels and hands (as in 'pointing at a number on a dial', not 'grabbing/holding/crushing device at the end of your arm').

While most certainly possible (although achieving the necessary gear ratios to allow for fine control as well as troll strength would result in a rather complicated and heavy construction with gears alone, compared to the lightweight and flexible possibilities steam valves offer), the result would be limbs that could be used for a very brief amount of time before needing to be 'rewound' again.

So don't be surprised about Prof. Pendington breaking into a frenzied tap dance several times during a run.

QUOTE (DEBO)
[...]though the idea of using the heart and blood pressure to supplement the system in the case of a full body replacement is an idea Arthur has been experimenting with, with limited success (it's messy and presents a number of complications).

A 'number of complications' and 'messy' indeed.
It's not especially useful when you knock yourself out every time you punch somebody.
Quite hard to maintain the oxygen supply of your brain when diverting the blood pressure for other uses, after all (it's not like the amount of energy you can gather from there would be very impressive neither...).

So while having your artificial limbs powered by steam has its drawbacks as well (all this scalding steam in/on your body, not to mention the coal fire), I would definitely not agree with Arthur's 'expert opinion' and call it 'inefficient' considering the other solutions.
Meriss
@Zen: You had humor in your ICs? News to me. Maybe I'll have to reread.
Fresno Bob
QUOTE (ZenZen)
@Voorhees:
QUOTE (Voorhees)
Yep. No guts, no glory, you know?

You're lucky that Bismarck still got his guts stuffed somewhere then. Not much else of him left, after all...

Did you find the part dedicated to you hidden in my rather ..oversized last post?

Ah no, I seem to have missed it, unless you are talking about your recovery of his background info, in which case I am appreciative.
Fresno Bob
QUOTE (DuckEggBlue Omega @ Sep 17 2007, 09:49 AM)
Steam does offers more power though, and Bismark's implants are quite impressive in this area, even if they are, in Arthur's expert opinion, somewhat innefficient and unsophisticated which in itself has it's advantages since "unsophisticated" machinery has less that can go wrong with it, increasing reliability, an important factor in all military hardware.

Or atleast, that's how I've imagined things working. The GM or Voorhees may disagree.

Thats mostly how I figured it would be. Very obviously mechanical, but indestructible and frighteningly strong. He doesn't have a physical stat under 7, and his total armor is 14/14 when he wears his coat and helmet.
DuckEggBlue Omega
@Meriss: Yep, glad you (the only person who matters) are happy with the explanation.

@ZenZen (or anyone else interested in adding their opinion to fleshing out the cybertechnology aspect of the setting):
QUOTE
...or this other entity whose name shall not be spoken may disagree.

Yeah, but noone cares about that entity's opinion.

A boiler and steam power makes sense for a full body replacement, but not for individual limbs, when I picture it in my head. I won't argue the mechanics (much), as it was predomintably a style thing. With a cyber torso and limbs having a single boiler as part of that powering everything is easy to visualise, but clock-work feels better for individual limbs - to me. Otherwise each limb needs it's own boiler that is unaffected by relatively high movement of a limb compared to a torso, unless you go the 'steam ball' route which is even sillier, and thus only available to NPC's. And if using clock-work, why not have it auto-wound? Admittedly the Strength 7 (which is merely exceptional human strength, not super human) doesn't really go with it, but I honestly forgot Arthur had it. I knew the leg had no enhancements and I thought I'd dropped strength on the arm in favour of assorted gadgetry. Again, it's a style thing and I think clockwork "works" better for Arthur in an aesthetic sense, not to mention adds a little variety and colour to the setting next to the steam powered behemoth that is Bismarck.

Now seeing as Arthur has Cybertechnology and is meant to be an expert in the field, though I personally know little about the technology and it could not really have exsisted in the setting anyway, my options become - continue to make up stuff that sounds good so long as no one examines it too closely that hopefully the GM will approve of -OR- not explore a potential flavour packed aspect of the setting just to avoid conflicted with someone else's idea of how things should/shouldn't work. I choose the former, or to paraphrase, Nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah nah, I don't care what you think. Ofcourse that's not to say things can't work other ways ASWELL, and I figure anything that adds to the setting is welcome.

As for the 'mechanics' I will argue, since arguing the mechanics of imaginary technology is fun despite, if not because of, how ridiculous it is - Arthur's comment about Bismark being inefficient was not so much about using steam as it was about the way he uses it. Venting steam and losing pressure (even when standing still) instead of recycling it is definitely inefficient. But, much like locomotives and as already ceded by Arthur, steam engines that DO recycle steam and pressure are less powerful, more complicated and less reliable. This is ofcourse as Voorhees pointed out is NOT what Bismarck is about, he's an unstoppable juggernaut of awe inspiring power, using slightly more fuel and water or being 'unsophisticated' aren't really things that concern him or the german military scientists that built him. And yes someone probably would pass out if you were foolish enough to try and harness blood pressure directly. This is why the proposed sytem simply uses plood pressure to wind a spring, at it's own pace placing little extra exertion on the circulatory system, and then the spring provides the power when required. It can run down, but the springs will continue to be wound when the subject is at rest so under normal use complimented by an autowinder, should be efficient enough to maintain the required energy levels. Messy and complicated because it does place extra pressure on the circulatory system, attaching arteries to brass valves isn't easy and blood is hardly an ideal hydraulic fluid for mechanical applications, among other things.

QUOTE
embarrassed.gif *bashful* Why, you're quite the Don Juan, Mr. Duck, flattering me like this... *winks*

Hmmm... This either means you totally got my reference to the game Paranoia, and like the game, or had no clue what I was talking about and fell back on the tactic of attempting to unsettle the other party with your feminine wiles.

QUOTE
That sounds like there's a story behind it. Care to share?

Not really, an interesting story, that is. Just a small local con, there are public play areas were a variety of bordgames set up, miniatures tournaments (WarHammer 40K and WarMachine/Hordes) and a buch of 3 hour session RPGs. I foolishly volunteered to run an SR 3E game, having the experience of 3 WHOLE sessions of a campaign I started running behind me - and long story short, 3 of the 6 players in the first session walked out about 5 minutes in - the only walkout of the ENTIRE CONVENTION. Oddly enough, as far I as I can tell, my regular group campaign sessions have actually gone fairly well as did the second session I ran at the convention. Those were somewhat more interesting as is the D&D for Beginners game I played in at the convention. Maybe I'kll post a con report thread somewhere else on Dumpshock for laughs.

@Voorhees:
QUOTE
Thats mostly how I figured it would be. Very obviously mechanical, but indestructible and frighteningly strong. He doesn't have a physical stat under 7, and his total armor is 14/14 when he wears his coat and helmet.

I figured as much from your wonderful IC posts, but our holy spirit of blessed accelleration, I hadn't realised just how high his stats were! No wonder you're walking into what might be a trap... it doesn't really matter. smile.gif
ZenZen
@Meriss:
QUOTE (Meriss)
You had humor in your ICs? News to me.

Good job, Mola Ram...
Now, would you mind stuffing the black, decaying mass of pulsating muscle that is supposed to be my heart back inside the ribcage you ripped it from?



@Voorhees:
QUOTE (Voorhees)
Ah no, I seem to have missed it, unless you are talking about your recovery of his background info, in which case I am appreciative.

Well, umm, kinda, yes. Was just wondering because you didn't react to it or the other comments about 'marck at all.

By the way, as I checked Bismarck's sheet to see if his helmet was a Pickelhaube or something less conspicuous (strangely I couldn't find a helmet listed at all), I stumbled on a 'Philosophy: 3' knowledge skill.
Quite a surprise, that, really.
I can hardly wait when you'll put that skill to use as I'm sure most of our chars will be dumbstruck when 'Za Maschine' abandons his one-liners for some insightful speech.
Or does 'Philosophy: 3' stand for his 3 tiered personal philosophy of: "I shoot, I fight, and I know my way around explosives." ?



@DEBO:
QUOTE (DEBO)
- and long story short, 3 of the 6 players in the first session walked out about 5 minutes in - the only walkout of the ENTIRE CONVENTION.

Ouch. Yet, that's like, really short...what about some details?
I'm sure we all want to know more about your misery.

QUOTE (DEBO)
Hmmm... This either means you totally got my reference to the game Paranoia, and like the game, or had no clue what I was talking about and fell back on the tactic of attempting to unsettle the other party with your feminine wiles.

Are you really sure that those are the only 2 options?

QUOTE (DEBO)
I choose the former, or to paraphrase, Nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah nah, I don't care what you think.

rotfl.gif Damn, I'm so envious of your dramatically sophisticated and ultimately superior demagogic skills now.
*prostrating* Master! Will you accept my humble self as your unworthy apprentice? notworthy.gif



@DEBO & whoever (Seconding the Egg on the general invitation here. Actually: feel free to chime in to any discussion between me and the current unlucky bloke)

Alright, let's start off with the point we actually agree on:
QUOTE (DEBO)
[...]since arguing the mechanics of imaginary technology is fun despite, if not because of, how ridiculous it is

True, that. Yet I still prefer to keep imaginary technology as reasonably close to the laws of physics as possible (magic, on the other hand, is a different matter altogether - glad we're not trying to discuss this here yet).

QUOTE (DEBO)
Arthur's comment about Bismark being inefficient was not so much about using steam as it was about the way he uses it.

I see.

QUOTE (DEBO)
Venting steam and losing pressure (even when standing still) instead of recycling it is definitely inefficient. But, much like locomotives and as already ceded by Arthur, steam engines that DO recycle steam and pressure are less powerful, more complicated and less reliable.

Not only 'more complicated', but considerably bigger as well with those low pressure cylinders.
And I'm reasonably sure we agree that size is a really important factor in cybertech.

Now that that's been taken care of, on to the controversial stuff:

QUOTE (DEBO)
Admittedly the Strength 7 (which is merely exceptional human strength, not super human) doesn't really go with it, but I honestly forgot Arthur had it.

Allllriiiight...
Of course, considering that the option of taking the 20 BP positive quality 'Exceptional Attribute' (yes, I did notice the term 'exceptional' here) and bleeding another 15 BP extra for that maxed-out strength (at the same time keeping you from maxing any other attribute) exists, it's viable to call it "merely exceptional human strength".
But with even rating 5 attributes described as 'Superior' (p.62, BBB) and rating 6 being 'Maximum Unmodified Human', I still stand by my choice of words with 'superhuman' (as in 'exceeding what humans are capable of'), knowing full well that there were and always will be some freaks of nature that can do a bit better (game-mechanically speaking: those with the expensive build detailed above).

QUOTE (DEBO)
With a cyber torso and limbs having a single boiler as part of that powering everything is easy to visualise, but clock-work feels better for individual limbs - to me. Otherwise each limb needs it's own boiler that is unaffected by relatively high movement of a limb compared to a torso[...]

While it's hard to diagree with your personal feelings, I hope you visualize as well that a cyber torso is actually just a shell offering very few room for tech, because all those innards and other organs need to be stashed somewhere, making it a very bad place for the bigger, all-powering boiler.

QUOTE (DEBO)
[...]unless you go the 'steam ball' route which is even sillier, and thus only available to NPC's.

Steam ball, eh? I guess you're not talking about the Aeolipile that Wikipedia redirects you to, right? (Although certainly very silly for cyberlimb propulsion...)
Could it be that you're referring to the physical-law-defying steamball of Steamboy 'fame'? After refreshing my memory on that one, it dawned on me that Pendington actually shares quite some similarities with Edward Steam...
Better start up your Steam Castle now and pre-emptively defend yourself, otherwise prepare for some serious mockage.

QUOTE (DEBO)
And if using clock-work, why not have it auto-wound?

I already answered that one, but I guess I'll elaborate a bit more:
The first law of thermodynamics doesn't like to be broken and thus when you want your limb to perform work, you need to put even more (as you inevitably 'lose' some in the process - friction, radiation, whatnot) energy than that inside, beforehand.

Now you got your cyberleg equipped with your "advanced automatic kinetic movement induced oscillating mass system" or auto-winder, fine.
I hope you're somehow switching it off while swinging your leg, otherwise you're actually losing energy, because all the energy reclaimed by your auto-winder is lost to the movement of your leg and thus has to be compensated by increased input from the spring powering your leg.
Factoring in the usual 'loss' of energy, you're ending up worse than if your leg wasn't equipped with an auto-winder mechanism (I'm not even factoring in the additional weight of this system), if that wasn't the case: congratulations, you just created the first functioning perpetuum mobile, showing conventional laws of physics The Finger™.

That leaves us with rewinding your cyberleg with force not coming from its own engine: that works just fine, no law of physics slaps it around as a stupid idea, but you should consider several things:
There's considerably less movement to your leg when you ignore its own (most of it coming from your remaining natural one).
The sliding spring of your system will only ever get a fraction of the energy your oscillating mass absorbs and this energy will have to be provided by something, read:
It's going to be more exhausting dragging your cyberleg around when you're repowering it with your biological one.

That's the problem with the Eco Drive/automatic watch comparison: because the forces involved with them are so small, it's easy not to realize them at all and thus ignore them when you scale things up to cyberlimb size.
Automatic watches are actually slowing your arm, syphoning some of the kinetic energy away to rewind themselves, but it's such a small amount of energy that we don't notice.
When you're scaling the energy using side up by going from watch to cyberlimb, you can either leave the energy absorbing side as small as it was before: you still won't notice it, but you'd have to recharge your limb for ages just to use it a minute, or you're scaling it up as well, and then you will notice the effects (as stated above).

Which brings us full circle to the "frenzied tap dance" and the "need to be shoved around" I mentioned.

All this considered, Arthur might be better off with a giant key to regularly rewind his limbs instead of using his AAKMIOMS (as he seems to insist on clockwork powered cyber).


Regarding your blood magic ..err, powered cyberlimbs:
QUOTE (DEBO)
This is why the proposed sytem simply uses plood pressure to wind a spring, at it's own pace placing little extra exertion on the circulatory system, and then the spring provides the power when required. It can run down, but the springs will continue to be wound when the subject is at rest so under normal use complimented by an autowinder, should be efficient enough to maintain the required energy levels.

Alright, that clarification takes it from 'really stupid' to 'problematic and inefficient'.

I still disagree with the amount of power you seem to expect can be drawn from such an eccentric technology.

The human circulatory system is working with rather low pressure (cut your wrists open and you'll see what I mean).
Being designed for long-time, uninterrupted supply/distribution purposes, the blood just got a bit more than the necessary power to make its round (wouldn't even make its way back from your feet against gravity without those biological valves in your veins).
Apart from filling certain erectile tissues from time to time, blood doesn't need to do any kind of mechanical work, so the cardiovascular system isn't optimized for this purpose.
It can work with slightly increased pressure during times of stress (although the important aspect is the increased bloodflow, not the pressure), but you most certainly don't want to be in this state 24/7 just to get a wee bit more power to rewind your limb.

"Using blood pressure to wind a spring" ...of your watch to power it?
-might actually work, although why anyone would want such an invasive and risky technology for such a small gain is beyond me.

"Using blood pressure to wind a spring" ...of your cyberlimb to power it:
wind a week to use it a minute? - maybe, but hardly worth the effort and risk.
wind a day to use several hours? - no fraggin' way!

I mean, honestly, did you ever feel your pulse? Did you get the impression that there are forces at work which are strong enough to make syphoning them a viable strategy?
Ever noticed how few power it takes to cut off a blood vessel by pressing a finger on it?
And cyberlimbs certainly need a good amount of energy, even average str 2-3 ones, they're still able to get a full grown human running, after all.

QUOTE (DEBO)
Messy and complicated because it does place extra pressure on the circulatory system, attaching arteries to brass valves isn't easy and blood is hardly an ideal hydraulic fluid for mechanical applications, among other things.

Among other things, indeed. I wouldn't worry so much about the less-than-ideal properties of blood as an hydraulic fluid, but more about the hardly ideal effect your brass valves would have on the blood itself: blood getting damaged and clotting on synthetic surfaces has always been an issue with artificial heart construction - and thromboembolisms are often quite lethal.
Add to that a complicated surgical procedure, contamination issues (lubrication fluids for the machinery, material shaved off from wear and tear of all those moving parts etc. - you really don't want those in your blood), bloodflow issues at the organs the technoleeched arteries connect to (might even get necrotic after a while), possibly messed up vasoconstrictive regulation - not too pretty I'd say.
So: messy and complicated? Hell, yes.
If Arthur had human test subjects, then I expect a decent bodycount.



[Wee, my posts just seem to keep getting longer...anyone else notice the trend?]
Meriss
@Gaslampers: Okay ICs are up.

@marghos: Sir Ed knows nothing about Thomas Brookes. He read an article in the Daily Telegraph about Dursley's arrest and thats it. Next question.

@Fist: still need those Assensing rolls from you.
fistandantilus4.0
Assensing Rolls:
Building
1 hit
Lady of the House
1 hit
Young boy
3 Hits
Room w/ phone
2 hits
Assensing areas 5 dice

Assensing Auras 7 dice

Man I suck at assensing. frown.gif

Got some good rolls in interesting places though
DuckEggBlue Omega
QUOTE (ZenZen)
[Wee, my posts just seem to keep getting longer...anyone else notice the trend?]

Yeah, noticed. Discussing (arguing about even) imaginary technology is one thing, but I don't see the point in arguing that one completely unrealistic technology is obviously more realistic than another completely unrealistic technology.

On Steam Balls - both are silly, but I was refering to the VERY silly ones from Steamboy. I didn't conciously base my character on Edward Steam, even had to check the wikipedia entry to see how he was similar, but the similarities are certainly there, and interesting considering Professor Pendington sort of developed in the reverse direction.

QUOTE
Ouch. Yet, that's like, really short...what about some details?

Not really much more to tell, aside from how hard it was NOT to belt the little snot who kept muttering to his friend how 'pissed off' he was before he walked out. The players complained they had "no idea what was going on" and decided to walk out rather than wait for me to explain what was going on. When that sort of thing happens it usually gets back to me how horrible I was and that it was all my fault, not so here oddly enough, where people walked up to and told me they heard some stupid jerks walked out on my session - someone even congratulated me for 'breaking players'. Like I said, the earlier playtest and second session seemed to go just fine.
ZenZen
@DEBO
QUOTE (DEBO)
Discussing (arguing about even) imaginary technology is one thing, but I don't see the point in arguing that one completely unrealistic technology is obviously more realistic than another completely unrealistic technology.

Glad you don't see the point in that, saves my fingers quite some pain:
Either by typing a manifest so long that it'd leave bloodstains on my keyboard and make even the ones dedicated/mad enough to mentally wrestle themselves through my last posts surrender and skip it entirely (or be driven to madness ...or both).
Or by digging myself Down Under to punch through your windows and slap you (which I might do regardless, because it sounds like appropriate fun).

And I wouldn't actually call (more or less giant)-key wound automatons/limbs (or steampowered ones, for that matter) 'completely unrealistic technology'. Just some moderate suspension of disbelief needed there.

QUOTE (DEBO)
I didn't conciously base my character on Edward Steam, even had to check the wikipedia entry to see how he was similar, but the similarities are certainly there \\

Alright, no serious mockage then ...this time.

QUOTE (DEBO)
\\ , and interesting considering Professor Pendington sort of developed in the reverse direction.

Yeah, sadly. Giant steam castles can be fun, you know?

QUOTE (DEBO)
[...]someone even congratulated me for 'breaking players'.

*the usual evil hand rubbing and mad grin*
Excellent.
Keep up the good work, my corrupted disciple.



@Mola Ram
As much as I like your IC post (mushroom men biggrin.gif), would you mind letting Lex actually read the info that Horace brought him before making him leave?



@anyone interested in commenting
QUOTE (Alex IC)
... yes, I'll hold. ... Yes, Moneypenny, [...]

Well, well...
Someone seems to suffer from a serious case of CSP addiction here...
Meriss
@Zen: :oops; Heh my bad. I thought you wanted it OOC. Yes you can read it before leaving. And while Bond humor gets a smile.gif it's not quite enough to get CSP. Sorry Alex. frown.gif
ludomastro
QUOTE (Meriss)
@Zen: :oops; Heh my bad. I thought you wanted it OOC. Yes you can read it before leaving. And while Bond humor gets a smile.gif it's not quite enough to get CSP. Sorry Alex. frown.gif

That one was for my own amusement, not CSP. I like subtle humor as I find it much more interesting.
Fresno Bob
How much distance is between Bismarck and the desk?
Meriss
@Voorhees: Umm about 7 feet. Why? Although if you're going to do what I think you're going to do I need an Initiative roll or a Sprint test vs a Secret initiative vegm.gif A small note OOC in case yer interested. This is a AA equivalent neigbourhood. But up to you.

@Rest: Sorry guys I'm just dead.gif I'll respond to stuff ASAP.
marghos
@Meriss: Sorry been busy and all...
But yeah sir Edward does not know anything about this shady employer so Martin will enjoy the meal and doesn't say anything about 'star, these companies envolved or other peoples envoled. He will eat, chit chat and then he leaves home.

In home he will spend time with wife and then he will check these maps he aquired, he also writes down what he and team will need when they are breakin' in these places...
Fresno Bob
AA neighborhood? Aw man. Well, I've come this far, might as well keep going.

Bismarck's going to charge the desk and try to flip it over onto the man.

Running Test: Strength 7 + Athletics 4 = 11 Dice

4, 4, 5, 6, 4, 6, 2, 6, 5, 2, 1. 5 hits.

And I'm assuming a strength check for the flipping of the desk.

Strength 7 = 7 Dice

5, 1, 5, 2, 3, 6, 5. 4 hits
ludomastro
@ Meriss

IC question: Do the people in the study stay or go? If they stay are they listening and watching?
Meriss
@Gaslampers: Sorry to take so long. Been a looooong weekend. Back to work then? Right, tally ho!

@Voorhees: Sorry he managed to hit the alarm. vegm.gif You have thirty seconds before the warehouse guards show up and three minutes before the police show. Try not to wreck the joint. biggrin.gif

@Fist and Alex: ICs are up. Fist if you want just the highlights click the spoiler. Alex answered IC

[ Spoiler ]


@marghos: Giving up so easy? Edward doesn't know Brookes beacause they don't travel in the same circles. Try another name maybe? Also just beacause he doesn't know Brookes doesn't mean he doesn't know anything. Try another question.
fistandantilus4.0
[ Spoiler ]
Meriss
@Fist:
[ Spoiler ]
Meriss
@Alex: A stealth roll followed by a perception roll. Both THs are secret for now. I will tell you they will be fairly difficult with Molson Junior sitting in the room. Also too much noise and Mrs M. will be on you pretty quick too.

@Fist: Ditto for you.

@Gaslampers: Guys can I get a check it here from everyone? No offense I'm just wondering if I'm holding your attention.
marghos
QUOTE (Meriss)
@marghos: Giving up so easy? Edward doesn't know Brookes beacause they don't travel in the same circles. Try another name maybe? Also just beacause he doesn't know Brookes doesn't mean he doesn't know anything. Try another question.

@Meriss: Back in business. I'm not givin' up but Martin does not want that Sir Edward knows too much about his new mission...
Martin will small talk and drops a word or two that he wants to know (this star of africa, those companies, ,
ludomastro
@ Meriss
Jacob values caution over information in this case. He will preserve the illusion at the expense of the information. Pleas apply modifiers as needed.

Stealth
Stealth Group 1 + Intuition 4 + Edge 3 = 8
1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 4, 6(1), 6(5) = 3 hits

Perception
Perception 4 + Intuition 4 + Enhanced Perception 4 = 12
3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6 = 5 hits

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