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Abschalten

Apr 22 2008, 08:21 PM

QUOTE (Cthulhudreams @ Apr 22 2008, 12:05 AM)

Basically that the predominate building materials in SR4 per the books are affected by shape metal (they are described as alloys rather than a concrete/plastics.) and that 'coatings' like paint, plastic wire casings etc don't block LOS for line of effect for spell casting, as long as the 'object' is predominately metal based and you can see it.

If that were the case, then you wouldn't be able to cast a stunbolt on a guard wearing full milspec armor, or a woman with sufficiently thick make-up (slight exaggeration.) My feelings are that the spell would still work, but that question would get kicked to the GM.

Cthulhudreams

Apr 22 2008, 11:42 PM

yes, the second issue is the least contentious, the first issue, that plastisteel and ferrocrete are metals is a bigger one.

quentra

Apr 23 2008, 01:06 AM

Plastisteel and ferrocrete aren't metals. They're man made alloys, and thus wouldn't be affected by shape metal.

Cthulhudreams

Apr 23 2008, 02:04 AM

Okay, noting that I dispute the interpretation that bronze and steel are not metals (eh?), and I'll replace the spell with something else.

Aaron

Apr 23 2008, 03:51 AM

I think what quentra is trying to say is that they're man-made mixtures, part alloy and part non-metallic substance, rather than alloys, which does, as you (Cthulhudreams) point out mean a mixture of metals. That's just my guess, though; quentra would know best.

Also, I'm fairly certain that plasteel is plastic that is as hard as steel, and not at all metallic, just from descriptions in various places and the fact that transparent riot shields are made out of the stuff. Plasteel from Plasteel International, Inc. is made from layers of steel and plastic.

Cthulhudreams

Apr 23 2008, 06:56 AM

Yur, but the actual description in Man & Machine says its an alloy, and as you note alloys are metals. Thus plastisteel is a metal.

The what happens with metal/plastic hybrid items like wires is also why I specifically used wires as an example in the question. Under the metal/plastic items are not effected by the spell, I cannot use shape metal on wires, or presumably painted steel, as the 'object' is not 'metal' due to the plastic or paint.

But either way, this is why I like to have question answered before I charge off with a spell that can easily range between awesome (if you follow the book exactly) to crap (if plastisteel isn't metal, what is metal in shadowrun?) so I like to ask.

I'll change it so its not an issue

quentra

Apr 23 2008, 11:27 AM

If you want to. What I'm saying is that plastisteel and ferrocrete are not purely metallic alloys, so the spell wouldn't affect it. Ferrocrete = Iron + Concrete, if I'm reading ferro right. Plastisteel is pretty self-explanatory. Bronze, steel, and the like are metal alloys formed out of metal components, thus it works. Its a decent spell, just need to choose your targets carefully. I'm putting up IC and OOC threads now.

quentra

Apr 23 2008, 03:55 PM

Found some problems in some sheets.

Tabula Rasa, you specialized in a skill group, which you can't do. And yeah, you do have to pay for each skinlinked item. at 50 resource BP, you're also one over. Your total gear costs come to 64,682 :yen: for equipment, and 172,350 :yen: for 'ware, about 237 032 total :yen:.

Kookyjeld, you still have four points to go, so spend em.

Aaron, you're cleared.

Professeur, you still have a gaes to choose, otherwise, you're fine.

Cthulu, can you have multiple gaesi? You look fine otherwise.

And I'll critique/clear Abs' sheet when I get home.

Aaron

Apr 23 2008, 04:45 PM

QUOTE (quentra @ Apr 23 2008, 09:55 AM)

Aaron, you're cleared.

Fear my mad gaming skills.

Tabula Rasa

Apr 23 2008, 05:00 PM

Quick clarification, what do you mean I am one point over? Like I spent 1 too many BP? I will correct my sheet and submit the corrected one with my character description in the OOC thread.

quentra

Apr 23 2008, 05:48 PM

Yeah, you're a point over in your gear BPs if you're keeping them at 250k. I'd rather you post the sheet here as well, since I want to used that reserved post to keep all my charasheets in one place.

quentra

Apr 23 2008, 06:13 PM

And for Abschalten, critiques: I suggest a couple of things. You can save 12 BP by getting the Influence group at 4, instead of two skills at 5 and one at 3. Secondly, you might wanna get an Encephalon, since it adds to logic tests. Also, I'd suggest getting your commlink at six, to save some money (and a surgery test) in game. It'll come in useful. If you decide to save the BPs, you might wanna put something in bod, so you can wear heavier armor, but that ones a trade off. That's all I got.

Players, get your sheets in and clarify things, and you're good!

Oh, and Cthuludreams, I looked it up, you're clear as well.

Tabula Rasa

Apr 23 2008, 06:27 PM

I can't edit my sheet at work but class is a whole different ballgame! So expect a clarified sheet and a post in a few hours.

kookyjeld

Apr 23 2008, 09:12 PM

4BP .. awesomely convenient number, woo!

I'll spend those points and post my decisions for your approval when I get home from work. Can't wait to get started!

Professeur

Apr 23 2008, 09:44 PM

My geas would be to ingest at least 10 oz of vodka before midnight everyday. Would that be reasonable ?

I should get to posting more regularly (and transmitting my background...) by friday, when I'll be done with finals and papers.

Tabula Rasa

Apr 23 2008, 10:21 PM

QUOTE (Professeur @ Apr 23 2008, 05:44 PM)

My geas would be to ingest at least 10 oz of vodka before midnight everyday. Would that be reasonable ?

Lightweight.

Tabula Rasa

Apr 23 2008, 10:29 PM

Quick Q. Had you mentioned that we could buy individual skills up in a skillgroup from BP or did you decide to not allow that? I thought I saw it mentioned before that you would let us. If not, I'll delete the extra two points of pistols and my two specialization and I'll buy something else with the BP.

quentra

Apr 24 2008, 02:20 AM

No, you can break skill groups at chargen. Just not specialize. Breaking skill groups to me, is, in a sense, specializing in a specific skill within general training.

Tabula Rasa

Apr 24 2008, 03:29 AM

Okay, should be fixed. Removed specialties. Shaved off a point. Moved the one point left over to contacts. Then spent an extra 13k to spend the 250k. Also spent my knowledge skill points and defined what ammo goes with what. Let me know if it's okay and I'll make my post.

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quentra

Apr 24 2008, 03:41 AM

I haven't checked the entire sheet out yet, but when I said 'specializing' in skill groups, I meant thats what I see when you break one at chargen. You can take the skill group, then raise the skill X amount of levels spending additional BPs.

Aaron

Apr 24 2008, 03:54 AM

Really? Can I get a 4 BP refund by doing my Tasking skills that way?

quentra

Apr 24 2008, 04:06 AM

Yepyep. You can take tasking, then raise...say...compiling up a level for only four extra BP on top of the skill group! Honestly, its just logical that way.

Tabula Rasa

Apr 24 2008, 04:32 AM

QUOTE (quentra @ Apr 23 2008, 11:41 PM)

I haven't checked the entire sheet out yet, but when I said 'specializing' in skill groups, I meant thats what I see when you break one at chargen. You can take the skill group, then raise the skill X amount of levels spending additional BPs.

That's what I meant to do. I just wrote SMG instead of automatics. Edited.

quentra

Apr 24 2008, 04:40 AM

So the +2 means you're raising your Auto skill to 6?

Tabula Rasa

Apr 24 2008, 04:53 AM

Yes, if that's alright. Originally I had it listed as pistols. Meant to change it to automatics but wrote SMG then edited it to correct it. I suck at this apparently. lol

Abschalten

Apr 24 2008, 06:16 AM

Soon as my character sheet is given the thumbs up, I'll make my first post.

Quentra: notify me either here in this thread or via a PM that it's been approved. If I'm at work I can't check my email, but I can still check and post to Dumpshock.

Aaron

Apr 24 2008, 12:09 PM

QUOTE (quentra @ Apr 23 2008, 10:06 PM)

Yepyep. You can take tasking, then raise...say...compiling up a level for only four extra BP on top of the skill group! Honestly, its just logical that way.

If that's the case, I'm adding one to Resterend's Hacking skill. I've adjusted my post from way back when.

kookyjeld

Apr 24 2008, 01:18 PM

Sorry for the delay, folks!

I'm going to spend that final 4 BP to raise Assensing to 3. Let me know if that'll be alright.

quentra

Apr 25 2008, 12:25 PM

QUOTE (Aaron @ Apr 24 2008, 08:09 AM)

If that's the case, I'm adding one to Resterend's Hacking skill. I've adjusted my post from way back when.

Uh...Simply raising hacking up to three puts you 4 BP over. You have to take the skill group the skill is found in, take it to a certain level, then pay additional BP to raise the skill above that level.

Example:

Twitch the samurai wants to be know how to use all guns, but his chara's background is that he was a first line grunt for the UCAS Army. So, he takes the Firearms skill group at 4 (40 BP) then decides to raise his Longarms skill to 6 breaking the skill group for only 8 BP, for a total of 48 BP.

My fluff logic:

I never really understood why, if a character is supremely trained in a certain gun, or can drive, or can etcetera etcetera (rating 5 or 6), he still defaults when he switches to a different class of <blank>. If you're a UCAS front line soldier, for example, it makes no sense that your only weapons training would be in Automatics or Longarms. You should have the Firearms skill group, at least. Raising a skill within a skill group at chargen, to me, is just an example of the character first learning the generalistics, then focusing on a specific facet of the skill group. Remember, characters out of chargen are not newly born infants. They've often had years to hone their skills, gaining karma and raising skills/atts. On a side note, I really wanna use Frank's custom chargen rules now >.<

I hope that cleared some stuff up.

EDIT: Tabula Rasa, you seem to still have a BP to go. Dropping Influence a point gave you ten free BP, then 8 BP to raise Automatics to six. Two BP left, 1 to bump Recs to 50, which leaves you with...12788 :yen:? Tell me if I'm missing something. Also, Kookyjeld, you're cleared. Abschalten, you're cleared as well. Aaron, as soon as you can clarify what exactly you want to do with moving Hacking up a point, I'll clear you. Cthuludreams is cleared already...So that leaves Professeur to choose a gaes, Aaron to clarify, and everyone'll be wiz.

Tabula Rasa

Apr 25 2008, 12:51 PM

Okay, I made a quick change. I changed survival to Dodge and used the extra point I had to specialize vs. Firearms in it. Let me know if that's too broad...

Also about they yen, I spent enough to get to 250k. I bought an attention coprocessor, some extra gun mods, etc... for around 13k.

Should be all set now.

quentra

Apr 25 2008, 12:58 PM

I assume you edited your earlier post? Also, by vs. Firearms, you meant Ranged Combat, right? Your choices are either Melee or Ranged. Speaking of which, where's Silky Skin? I can't find it in either Aug or the BBB.

EDIT: Nm, found it. Cosmetic, not actual. Quick recalc of your recs came up with the following calculation:

Ware: 181,350 :yen:

Gear: 73,157 :yen:

Total: 254,507 :yen:

About 5k over, as well as a BP over.

BP Calculations:

Atts: 200 BP

Race: 20 BP

Edge: 10 BP

Skills: 152 BP

Resources: 50 BP

Qualities: -35 BP

Contacts: 4 BP (x2 Cha free)

Total: 401 BP

I think that's right. You need to shave off a few things in gear, and drop either a contact point or a resource point.

Tabula Rasa

Apr 25 2008, 01:36 PM

Okay, deleted 5k worth of gear, then deleted another 5k because I had my lifestyle listed as costing only 5k when it should have been 10k and shaved off a point in contacts. Should be all set.

Aaron

Apr 25 2008, 01:48 PM

QUOTE

Uh...Simply raising hacking up to three puts you 4 BP over. You have to take the skill group the skill is found in, take it to a certain level, then pay additional BP to raise the skill above that level.

Oh, it would seem that I used the skill group trick in the first place. Never mind on the raising of the Hacking, I appear to be smarter than me.

quentra

Apr 25 2008, 01:50 PM

Still 5k over >.< Well, 5602

. You were fine until I had to figure in the bike, so maybe...get 200 explosive rounds and only 1000 regular rounds? I mean, you have a shitload of ammo. Then just remove the Fichetti or drop a few grenades, and you're set.

Professeur

Apr 25 2008, 11:30 PM

Could my geas be that he has to continuously wear a religious symbol (probably a catholic cross with assorted medals), and lose 1 point of magic if he does not ?

quentra

Apr 25 2008, 11:53 PM

Thats a condition gaes, right?

Tabula Rasa

Apr 26 2008, 04:06 AM

Okay, I got rid of 5,725 worth of shit. Btw, should we just roll starting cash or how you want to do it? Also, did we decide on a rolling method?

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Professeur

Apr 26 2008, 04:17 AM

QUOTE (quentra @ Apr 25 2008, 06:53 PM)

Thats a condition gaes, right?

Yes it is.

quentra

Apr 27 2008, 07:49 PM

Holy shit. I think we're cleared.

Wow. Start posting, people.

Aaron

Apr 27 2008, 10:08 PM

Way ahead of you.

Abschalten

Apr 27 2008, 10:21 PM

I'm waiting for the game to get going. I look forward to reading the other introductory posts.