Well then, burst Sphynx's bubble not mine.

Not out to burst anyones bubble. Hell I was like this sucks when I found out. I was so like hey GM can I.... and then I read on. Oh well I guess someone was paying attention at Fasa/Fanpro that day.

I'd rather have Nanosymbiotes any day of the week anyway. They're way more effective and don't hike up your Lifestyle costs.

Armored Vest: Ballistic 5/Impact 4.
Armored Jacket: Ballistic 5/Impact 3.
Armored Clothing: Ballistic 0/Impact 3.
Form Fitting: Doesn't Count.

Last time I checked, 5+5 = 10 and 4+3+3 = 10.

If you want to count the Forearm Guards, it's a moot point; you have to be a full 2 points over Quickness to have the penalties. It's also debatable that the Dikoting of the Armored Vest's plates wouldn't count towards the penalty, but I added it in anyway.

EDIT: Oh dear, I see where the problem is. I've always treated Armored Clothing as Impact instead of Ballistic -- that's what I get for throwing stats together from memory. Very well, scratch the Armored Clothing, change it to normal clothing (with Chemical Seal 2), and throw in, I dunno, a Rapid Transit Line helmet. It'll add +1 to the final Impact. Other calculations remain the same, and now you have a few extra hundred nuyen to blow.

Debatable because the rules don't really make sense; it's a bonus to the effective armor, not a modification of the actual armor. The same is true if you have your bones coated with Titanium; you gain the same benfits (and then some), yet they're still just "bones" for all intents and purposes outside of the hike in Weight... and Dikote doesn't even add weight.

But like I said, I added it anyway to avoid any debate on the subject. It's a moot point. He's now at 10/10 even with the Forearm Guards.

Even shooting him in the head wouldn't help much. Sure, it might bypass armor according to the FAQ (bleh!), but that's a very minor aspect of the character. The point is that he doesn't even need to make his Damage Resistance Tests. The combination of his Quick Healer edge, the Platelet Factories/Trauma Damper, the Guardian Angel, and his Nanosymbiotes means he'll be healed up in no time, and even three Deadly shots in succession aren't guaranteed to kill him, let alone put him at Deadly. A single Deadly shot is almost always going to be staged down to a Moderate wound, which heals as a Light Wound.

My silly addition

Troll
Full body cybernetic replacement (obvious limbs, it's not like he's gonna be in a beauty contest)

1 Tracking mount in each arm (Retractable) (2)
2 Tracking mounts in each leg (Retractable) (4)
1 Articulate Arm in torso (Retractable) (1)
1 external hardpoints on each forearm. (2)

All equipped with a SMG with Smartlink 2, rangefinder, Gasvent 4, Underbarrel weight.

The left hand

All guns are connected to the characters right hand Smartlink 2.

The character has a SMG in each hand and begins to open fire with his right hand SMG.

The character also has an overriding autosoft giving one specific command to all the other smartlinked weapons= Open fire at the same target as the Primary Gun.

Let's see, each gun is firing 6 shot FA without any recoil (5+1 streght bonus) that would be...11 guns blazing away at the same time with a total of 66 FA shots, and no recoil penalties.

An alternative is to use sensor enhanced gunnery but that means that you must remove one gun from the right hand thus only having a 60 round FA.

There is only one quote possible for that: Dodge THIS!

Mmmm Ultra cheese

clothing is considered part of lifestyles. check out the description in SR3

A troll with strength 15 and duel dikoted cyber spurs. Total damage, 19S.

resist that.

Maximus, ork Urban Brawler and gladiator wannabe:

Body 11(20)
Quickness 12
Strength 11
Charisma 2
Intelligence 6
Willpower 3

Exceptional Attr. BOD
Bonus Attr. Point QCK
Toughness
Sea Madness
Impulsive
Cpmbat Monster

Essence: 0.02
Magic: -7
Reaction 11
Initiative 2(3)

Titanium Bone Lacing
Dermal Plating 3
Dermal Sheath 3
Suprathyroid Gland
Pain Editor

Urban Brawl Heavy Armor(SR2)
-Ballistic 6
-Impact 4
Urban Brawl Helmet (SR2)
+1
+1
Ballistic Shield
+3
+1
Titanium Bone Lacing
+1
+2




...How's that for stage-downability?

Alas, dermal plating and dermal sheath cannot be combined.

Beh, all you really need is a drunkard, a billy goat, some maonase, and a city bus.

I made a one-shot character for a player in an "all combat, all asskicking, all ridiculous" kind of game. He followed the Mr Indescructible model you guys are using. I'm doing this from memory so I'm sure I'll make some mistakes.

Race: Troll

Body: 22
Quickness: 8
Strength: 15
Cha: 1
Int: 4
Will: 3

Cyber (almost all used alpha):
Dermal Sheath 3
Titanium Bone Lacing
2 "Kid Stealth" Cyberlegs w/ 10 ballistic armor each
Guardian angel in left leg
Hive w/ nanosymbiotes in right leg
Smartlink 2, subdermal biomonitor, a big fucking rhino horn with a venom sac, and some other salt-and-pepper stuff

Bio:

Suprathyroid gland
Platelet Factories
Trauma Dampener
Pain Editor
Muscle Toner 1

Edges:

Toughness
Quick Healer
Exceptional Attribute: Body
Bonus Attribute Point: Quickness

Flaws to taste

Armor:

Full form fitting (w/ armor mods to taste)
Armor jacket (w/ armor mods to taste)
Dikoted Security Helmet (again, mods to taste)
Dikoted Forearm guards

A mere 12/9[11] armor (13/10[12] when he dons his gyro-stabilization unit), and 22 damage resistance dice is pretty respectable. He was, if I recall correctly, still at minus four or five to healing TNs despite all the bioware.

DidI forget to mention it's a called shot that bypasses armor?

See above. Still neglible damage. It takes a minimum of a Deadly wound to do any long-lasting damage to the character (insane as that is). Serious is automatically dropped to Moderate due to Platelet Factors and/or Trauma Dampener, and that's all but guaranteed to be dropped down to Light due to the Guardian Angel. The Nanosymbiotes then heal that up almost instantaneously.

Just a quick FYI on First Aid (and this includes the Guardian Angel).

It takes 5 Combat Turns to 'First Aid' a Light Wound.
It takes 10 Combat Turns to 'First Aid' a Moderate Wound.
It takes 15 Combat Turns to 'First Aid' a Serious Wound.

Any interruption in the process (continual physical exertion), means starting over again.

I agree that the cyber combo is awesome and will bring healing times down to mere hours when you take a Deadly Wound, but don't take 3 in a row or you'll be quite dead (8 boxes of physical without the benefit of healing before the next attack).

Sphynx

Minimum Time to heal a Light Wound is 2 hours.

As I recall those first aid times are base times. In Docs example he rolled 6 successes, bringing those 5 combat turns down to less than 1. People with good healing modifiers should frequently be able to do this.

Well the 19S Doc. was resisting was assuming I got only one sucsess. Since I think I would get 4 then really it is a 20D. But I get what Doc was doing and I think it is cool!

Can't forget the damage compensator 1, so that your light wounds are immediately healed instead of being shifted to stun by the trauma dampener.

Damage Compensators don't heal damage.

And I was assuming that since you made no mention about your troll being an adept or unusually gifted in melee, he'd be about on even footing with an opponent built for combat... so one success on average is about right (and actually generous unless one side has a major advantage over the other). Reach is easily negated, so that's not much help.

I think I'm missing something, then. At best, it's just going to negate the box for purposes of the target number and initiative penalty... but the box is still there.

EDIT: Oh, wait, I see what you're trying to do. Note that Nanosymbiotes and First Aid aren't restricted to Physical Damage (unless someone can point me to a page reference; I don't have the books handy at the moment). They both work on Stun Damage as well, so you'd actually be better to have it in Stun as Stun already heals much faster than Physical.

See the edit above.

Page 129 SR3 "Biotech Skill only helps heal physical damage. Stun damage can only be recovered by taking the night off and sleeping in."

Nanosymbiotes shouldn't help either, since the base time to heal stun damage isn't based on damage level.

Ah, groovy technique then.

Since that's the case, though, I'd rather invest in another Nanite Hive (already have a Facilitator, might as well take advantage of it) with Oxy-Rush. Not only does it act as Pain Resistance 1, but it gives +2 to Athletics and lets you hold your breath practically indefinately.

Aren't you allowed only two free-floating nanoware systems at a time?

ed- Just looked it up, and you can't have more than two free-floaters at a time. Fortunately (or unfortunately) oxy-rush is transient, not free-floating, which means it'll stack. However, that makes it unusable with a hive You get to pay 10k for ten whole days of usage. Lame, IMO. That makes oxy-rush practically useless.

Doesn't matter anyway. Pain resistance from Oxy-Rush, the adept power, and the pain tol. edge can all work in conjunction with trauma dampener, so the box of physical will still be converted to stun. Unless you only take one light wound during the entire combat, the damage compensator is still a more cost-effective investment, IMO.

Oxy-rush is very useful. You just need to know when you'll be using it rather than installing and letting it sit there for a few months between runs.

~J

In M&M it says that the pain resistance power does in fact cause the trauma dampener to be ineffective. Oxy-rush says it works just like the power.

Where does it say that pain resistance negates a trauma dampener? From what I can see, the description under cultured bioware only mentions damage compensators.

Rattler, page 79. Foolish you for looking at the trauma dampener for rules that pertain to it

I've gotta stop discussing things when I don't have access to my books.