DidS 2? Or maybe something ana uthor said once. Been a while since I toiched the Saxony chapter of DidS2. Anyway, blue skin and dwarf is enough, isn't it?

Papa Smurf has a beard too, now that I think of it.


Negamages were in Walzer, Punks udn Schwarzes Ice, though I am not sure whether they weren't in the German 2nd Edition Grimoire too.

The Psionic was in Brennpunkt: ADL, and IIRC in an official german adventure published in either Mephisto or WunderWelten magazine.

Yeah, they weren't put into any core book, but *they were there* ... you could reason they haven't been seen since because the german books have been discontinued.

Don't forget. Boston is the home city of Fuchi America/Novatech/Neonet, and, until the crash 2.0, was the home of the Stock Exchange, which had been relocated there from Manhattan.

Not to mention the Toronto Stock Exchange.

I think everyone hates what has been done to their area. A &(#%ing Pirate King in Morrow Bay?

(Is a californian who made the mistake of reading the Cal-free sourcebook.)

Bwahaha! Sorry I'm not laughing at you but what they did to California in the CalFree and later sourcebooks. Heh, I can remember whole threads about the California materiial that were pretty much nothing but bile and vitriol.

For real fun though you just have to get one of the resident Texans started about what FASA did to their state.

I'm speaking from a position of relative ignorance, since I was only able to really start picking through SR history within the last few years. With the exception of, I guess, a write up in Target:UCAS, that's all I've been able to find in reference to Boston The Toronto Stock Exchange is in Boston too? I knew the NY one was, and in the skeleton notes I have for running in the area I've made a note that it's still heavily corporate, even if the Exchange has shifted back to NYC.

Still think the German stuff is hilarious

ETA: Listening to you guys sounds a lot like when White Wolf was getting a ton of shit over their write-ups of Europe / any place other than America back during 2nd Edition. They got Euro writers to handle that stuff during the Revised era, so things finally calmed down. Maybe they should hire writers from the area to do updates for all of these areas

It is...except for Cologne, of course.

That chapter was so boring and so obviously written by devs from Düsseldorf, it made us want to play in Hamburg, Wuppertal (Zombietown! Love that place!) and even goddam Berlin (which was, without a doubt, the most hilarious, gonzoed-out part of all the original Germany Sourcebook whackiness).

It's a hard choice, again we are dealing with speculative future and unfortunately what is realistic is not necessarily what is fun to play. I was really thinking of Finland which has gone from a relatively introverted country under a socialistic system where everything was equally poor to a surprisingly European country with a market economy and strong IT industry. Even without dragons (riight dragons hiding in Finland, maybe in Inari Lake, but not with a top soil of an average of 2 meters).

I foresee that Finland will continue to develop steadily in a similar fashion as it is now, with a possible population of 10 million to its current 6 million. In 2070 it will be eerily in the same situation as Germany in 2050 socially and 2080 technologically.

-Chrysalis

Which would mean...favélas with plasma rifles?

Finland is far too flat to have favélas. I have a hard enough time owning a handgun let alone a plasma rifle, even if I was to allow such things to exist in 2070.

your familiar with this, yes?

i would say that the SoE writeup is somewhat better then said page...

but thats with being part of the inital brainstorm, before the NDA started poping up (and i swear, some seed planted is still in there).

I have to say the website of the Scandinavian Federation is amusing. All of Scandinavia which includes Denmark (parliamentary democracy and constitutional monarchy), Iceland (parliamentary republic), Sweden (parliamentary democracy and constitutional monarchy)and Finland (parliamentary republic) while still have a communal legal history to 1100, each country between 1663 and 1878 have changed their governments to become mutually incompatible. Experiences with WWII and the cold war has put into place legislation to prevent the overthrow of parliament and their constitutions.

Of course Shadowrun ignores the concept of EU, UN and the other developments which have been going on in creating the transnational states of tomorrow.

I certainly hope Finland will NOT be such a ridiculous society as 2050s Germany.


Shadowrun is a product of the late 80s, which were all about new nationalism, with a huge state balcanising, a whole, supposedly incredibly powerful, block of nations falling apart, and was written by americans during the Reagan era. They try to get the transnational idea back in, but ... well, SR history has deviated from RL history in 1990, and that's that.

And wow. The ScanFed hp is still online! I remember it from back in ... the 90s? Gotta be the 90s. I'm ... impressed.

I like how we managed to haul the Alamo to Dallas/Ft. Worth during the war.

Maybe San Antonio (or maybe Austin) will get some love in the books ahead for Cities of Intrigue, but my guess is that Denver will get the North American slot (and rightfully so in my opinion). This is assuming that they continue with the trend that one of the big write ups is in North America.

Texas is a stockpile for weapons & anti-mexico gun nuts so any thought of Azatlan re-drawing the boarder is farsical at best. I'd have to agree with Starglyte on the Alamo move, it was humorous and was probably a bad in-joke made cannon.

Snowflake sounds awesome. I love the name. But yes SR's grasp on history seems... quaint.

I love australia being turned into an inhospitable desert. But thats just dull compared to being.. snowflaked.

You missed the thing hidden in the Mist that nearly killed Lofwyr when he came to investigate, and the 29 Crash that was avoided thanks to our superior gateway (I guess the virus wasn't compatible with the Minitel network).

SoE did a better job, and even if they kept the royalty/religion aspect (mostly because they couldn't throw everything away), I guess it's still salvageable. It's not a monarchy, it's just that a few big families are occupying all important positions in France... Which isn't actually that far from what you'll find today, except that today they aren't all ancient noble families.

Anyway, I've recently got the idea that Shadowrunning in France should be done as in "Les Tontons Flingueurs" which would be awesome.

I agree, the German settings as presented in SoE are much more enjoyable to play in ... though I still am pissed that Berlinw asn't one of the cities that were nuked by Winternight. At least, that way, the city could have started over from scratch, without dragging along all that anarchist bullshit.

I have to admit that putting back the Berlin wall was quite awkward. A walled city to contain anarchists, why not, but Berlin Wall 2.0 that's just ridiculous.

I saw that when I did the research about the western dragon in Germany. "Quick! Disconnect the whole French network....Just in time!"

Wouldn't everyone want what's left over on that network then? It would mean that there are pre-Crash records on there, and who knows what kind of valuable information, even non-French information, could be stored on there?

*grin* Now there's a shadowrun. Was that particular bit of brilliance kept in SoE?

I weep for those poor Texans and Californians... At least they get a mention and even dedicated sourcebooks. For all the years Shadowrun has been in publication I think the current Midwest has received, what, maybe two paragraphs of text? We must be too boring for cyberpunkin'.

Run! Meta-corn!

Isn't the midwest Tir Tairngire? or is that So-Cal?

Also, I found it pretty funny when I found out that my home city is surrounded by an awakened cloud that rains frogs, and people have just learned to deal with it. Also, there is a bunch of squatters living suspended from the Sydney Harbour Bridge. I have no idea how they would get away with that.

"Mate, that poor bloke is pitching a tent up on the bridge!"
"Shit! We better call the cops! Oi, Officer! That poor bugger is setting up shack on the bridge"
"Mate, we can't afford to deal with that now, the CBD is filled with bubbles!"

Hilarious.

Also, why are the europeans complaining? The USA got it's arse handed to them by indians, mexicans and elves, and then to add insult to injury, had to join forces with canada. Russia is basically a railway to japan, and that's about it. And you're worried that Germany turned a bit religious? Mexicans now worship snakes and bloodsports. Japan is run by a child.

That's the pacific northwest, i think.
Wouldn't the midwest be NAN territory?

Coming in a bit late, but anyway...

My group (who haven't played yet, but will soon) weren't particularly interested in SR until I suggested I set it in Australia (where we all live). Suddenly they're all really keen.

Of course, its got Wombricks. You just can't say no to something with Wombricks.

Oh, while I'm here, a little thread-jack: anything interested in happened in Oz since 2062? (i.e. when Target: Awakened Lands was set)

Tir Tairngire is what used to be Oregon. The Midwest is traditionally considered to be Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, Ohio, and Wisconsin. Go further west and you hit the Plains states. Those are what were succeeded to the NAN until you hit Cali and the Tir on the west coast.

I take back my original grump-post. We got Chicago and Detroit which have been decently fleshed out. I'd still be curious as to what farm-town life is like in 2070. Anyone want to stat out a rigger-adapted corn combine for me?

heh, im guessing that agricorps and awakened pests have more or less driven the independent farmer out of the area.

As a note, that Midwest area was more commonly refered to as the "Rust Belt" by some. Judging by the fact that Ares seems to have brought lots of manufacturing back into the UCAS, and probably SaderKrupp depending on such things, those areas may have seen a resurgence. Kinda nice that it isn't fleshed out completely as it gives us some room to grow it all.

As a side note, I've alway thought with the already existing infrastructure, and massive numbers of airports in the area, Wright-Patt here would probably be the new UCAS AF HQ, since TAC and SAC would have lost their big big bases to the NAN. Probably moved the AF Academy out that way as well. I'd also imagined the sprawl of Dayton would have been claimed by the military/industrial complex since quite a few companies would benifit from being right where the top brass of the force are.

hey, isnt ares basically the military/industrial complex?

They are the largest armaments megacorporation, fairly chummy with the UCAS government - IIRC they run a joint Delta clinic with them - and whilst they've built up a fairly decent image as the 'national' and 'American' corporation they aren't the only armaments manufacturers out there. Off the top of my head you've got Integrated Weapon Systems, Dassault, Esprit Industries and all the others that I'm sure Nath could pull out from the sourcebooks.

On the original question of why the region hasn't been covered best guess is that aside from Chicago and Detroit which they actually did something with they decided not to bother because they hadn't come up with anything interesting or that fit in with the then current story lines. If it's going to be boring and a list of generic UCAS cities better they leave GMs a blank canvas to do whatever they feel like rather than tying them down with canon if they stick to the published material.

One thing I did notice about the area was that the CAS lost about half of Missouri to the UCAS, who promptly gave their part the highly original name of North Missouri, and that St. Louis got split in half with the CAS getting everything west of the river and the UCAS everything to the east. Now it's no Boise but could provide a fairly decent setting.

Given that,. despite being best known for their military part, Ares also is big in consumer goods of all kinds, I think saying Ares = OCP gives a good idea of what the corp propably looks like.

Don't forget about Federated Boeing.

Oh undoubtedly, as a triple A mergacorporation it can't help but have it's fingers in nearly all of the pies to some extent it's just that because in early sourcebooks it was linked so closely to firearms it became 'the gun company'. As to the OCP comparison quite apt considering that Ares effectively bought out Detroit and turned it into a company town.

I have no doubt that Robocop's OCP was the inspiration for FASA to develop Ares Macro. "All-American", native-Detroit, charismatic leadership... stuff with guns poking out.

Haha yeah, I forgot about that.
It's still that 'WE ARE BETTER/SPECIAL" aspect. Superior matrix fuck yeah!


Indeed, you're right.


Hooo, that's a pretty neat idea.
Now all you need is writing Audiard-style dialogs for your NPCs.
And the ridiculous sounding silencer of course...

Yes, and a bottle of a weird and strong alcohol (with my apologies to the non-French member of this board who can't appreciate this fine piece of cinematographic culture)

I am trying to order that DVD right now, actually, despite not being french. I thought dvdboxoffice would have it in stock, being in Canada, but no luck so far.

Is that some apple in it?


You could try ebay...

Ordered on amazon.fr

Because of tensions between the two groups it is thought by many this is what will eventually happen. The only problem is Brussells is a Walloon city in Flemmish country.
Of course look at the SR date 21016. In 1815 The Emperor Napoleon had written pamphlets to be distributed to the walloons saying that fate had seperated them from France, but soon they would be welcomed back. OK so he was off by 201 years but he had vision.
Unfortunately he was looking way down the road and missed what was on the road just south of the town of Waterloo.

I visited Brussels in spring and it was interesting how bilingual that city is - every street sign in both languages, shops with French markings (and French-speaking employees) side by side with Dutch-speaking shops, people conversing with one person speaking French and the other Dutch, or switching language in mid-sentence...

Contrary to what most international news says it isn't so much the language that causes friction between the 2 states.
The split is more about economics and institutions than linguistics.
If split, Flanders would be one of the richest countries in Europe and Wallonia one of the poorest.

They have different public opinions and have different ideas on how to apply responsibility and manage the Belgian institutions.
Wallonia would like a federal approach to most problems, and Flanders sees more future in local responsibility for local challenges coupled with the European regulations for federal stuff.

Or tradition and history, in the case of Quebec.

At least, that's all I can figure out.