And while you are thinking about rarity pricing, you haven't yet started yelling about all those different priced guns and options unbalancing the game. I mean, a 6P -1 AP pistol has an enormously wide price range. Some are more then double of others!
The really funny thing is that the devs then complain about the lack of page counts in books. There is a serious disconnect there somewhere.
But really this doesn't matter like rarity pricing on metatypes does. The gap between any two pistols is insignificant next to the Oni and ogres. The gap is the equivalent of like 75k nuyen. Thats a big gap. I don't care about two pistol options that cost 1/5th and 1/10th of a BP, when we have a 15 BP gap right there. Thats like 10 skillsofts.
I'm sure you can appreciate the difference in scale here. Anyway, I just tell my players to take the 'best' option, gun wise, and call it/style it whatever they feel like. I'm pretty flexible. If you want a railgun and all the railguns are terrible, you can use the 50 cal sniper and call it a railgun. Why would I care? I'm not here to brutally oppress my players into not playing what they want because its 'rare' in the game world (yeesh).
QUOTE (DireRadiant @ Aug 19 2008, 12:11 AM)
The design decision was made, it's built in to the game, it is not in principle "stupid", but a choice in design. It's been printed, tested and based on the evidence works in creating mechanics that interact with the players choices to support the genre. The fact you favor the alternate choice and choose to keep complaining about it won't change the thousands of books out there, and it especially won't change the one sitting on the table that I use.
Probably not. But lots of people think its stupid, and have already started building fixes. Thats the joy of online communities. I signed up to the fix that made orks more expensive and elves cheaper ages ago. Excuse me for snipping the majority of the rest of your post. I never accused the devs of abandoning anything so that point is silly (I said nothing existed to abandon), and if no one aside from me cared, why are their two threads on page 1 right now about exactly that issue, one of which has no posts by me in it?
It's a forum. It supports a multitude of opinion.
And incidentally, it doesn't work. Either you are backdoor banning the character - free spirits are a great example of this. Why include unplayable rules? - or you are just ruthlessly punishing players who want to play a 'concept.' Anyone who chooses to play an oni or an ork is being punished by game mechanics for not playing an ogre.
So power gamers are just going to write down 'ogre' instead of ork and take his 9k nuyen to the bank, and anyone who actually wants to play a cool daemon from japan just gets to suck for no reason or has to play something that they didn't want to play.
Given that the makeup of the PC party is obviously stupid anyway (sammies with like 30 years wages implanted? Stupidly rare high powered mages working as criminals?) I'm not sure that making everyone play an ork actually accomplishes anything measurbly good and does encourage several things that are empercially bad (Unless you are in favour of min/maxes dominating 'role players' in which case more power to you)
If you are really seriously opposed to SR4, then really don't buy it, or play, and go away. There is something out there for you. GURPS and Champions/Hero System are at least two other game mechanic system where you can use the SR genre, and have your precious non rarity costs for character build points.
You know as well as I do that GURPS is possibly the crappiest system ever. Seriously, it does everything badly, NONE of the costs are well balanced and it has a billion traps for the inexperienced player in character generation (Playing in a Sword and Sorcery game? Didn't know one level of whatever the skill that lets you kip up is mandatory? Prepare to suffer n00blet).
Sure, nice idea, but execution is terrible.
Champion is a supers game with knowledge problems of its own, but I've never looked at a book or played it.
Anyway if it makes you happy, yes, I am refusing to buy runners companion as it is a poor product. I have also refused to pay for unwired on the same basis. I do feel that the basic book (aside from the matrix) and street magic contribute significant value