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Shadowfox
I'm wondering how you would all make a Deadpool character stat wise, and what cyberware and gear you'd give him?
Stahlseele
impossible really . .
even if you do leave out the regenerating part of him . .
he'd need to get at least agility high as hell, and then every weapons skill in the books maxed out . .
no cyber or bio for him either . . maybe some gene-tweakings but that's it . .
Jhaiisiin
So while the exact character is impossible in the SR universe (healing factor alone), you can recreate a similar character. In the past, I'd create varied Marvel or DC characters in the SR universe. They key is to not get hooked up on creating the exact character, but a copy designed to replicate most or all of the character's abilities. Figure a runner with an obsession with 20th century comics goes and gets a serious set of body mods to do it. Shit, people get tattoos and plastic surgery to look like animals today. Going seriously into cybernetics and bodymods in the future is not so out of the realm of possibility.

So here's what you do. Figure out what he *can* do, and then give him the stuff you need to match that. Ultra high agility? Muscle toner time. Fast regen? Platelet factories and trauma dampeners. Etc.
Namelessjoe
you could also use fast healing (i think) quality to heal more oftin or surge for regeneration add some negative derangements and your set... as i remember he just was a dude who used to have cancer and gained regen for savit through wpn-x sooo he would need surge with regen and gene freak(the horid scaring he gets from regen) andthen go for eatheer adept powers or bio were for agility boosting but skills would be fine too
hobgoblin
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Dec 3 2008, 08:32 PM) *
impossible really . .
even if you do leave out the regenerating part of him . .
he'd need to get at least agility high as hell, and then every weapons skill in the books maxed out . .
no cyber or bio for him either . . maybe some gene-tweakings but that's it . .


and dont forget the "tell bad jokes" knowledge skill wink.gif

i swear, that guy is even worse then spider-man...
vapor
As the most awesome character in comic book history, skill wise you'd have to have maxed out gymnastics, combat abilities, bantering (specializing in "breaking the 4th wall") and go from there.Stat-wise, Namelessjoe has a good start but you could definitely use some cyberware to represent his natural abilities, wired reflexes and muscle augmentation would be good choices.
Kurious
QUOTE (Namelessjoe @ Dec 3 2008, 08:46 PM) *
...or surge for regeneration...


Is there such a thing?

Getting an auto injector: medkit could simulate regen though. Granted, you would need to spend the time administering first aid still to yourself. 8/
Hagga
Spirit pact with a creature that has regeneration - every day. Or that compound that gives the character regeneration, I forget where/what ity was.
Cabral
You could use an infected or a great form possession plant spirit. It's a deviation from the concept but hey, he heals up nicely until Nightcrawler teleports his head to a crater ...
KarmaInferno
The comic book version of Deadpool has regenerated, in minutes, from a puddle of organic goo.

I don't think SR has anywhere near that quick or total a healing power.

Technically, it's not so much healing as it is a bizarre variant of cancer. Every cell in his body is cancerous, only his unique physiology allows him to function despite the affliction. His cells replicate so quickly that disease, injury, and toxins are wiped out in minutes.

The downside is that it's not a pleasant process. His body is a mass of scars and raw flesh, constantly in flux. He's always in pain as his nervous system undergoes continuous warping and shredding. At least part of his mental freakazoid-ness comes from the "power" as well, as his brain is just as messed up as the rest of him.


-karma
Stahlseele
QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Dec 4 2008, 12:15 AM) *
and dont forget the "tell bad jokes" knowledge skill wink.gif

i swear, that guy is even worse then spider-man...

that WAS kinda the point . .
notice any similarities between spidermans and pools costumes?
hobgoblin
in other words, deadpool was/is a ironic look at the best selling superheros in marvels portfolio...

kinda like how watchmen took some of the iconic golden age heros and retold them in a more realistic image...

for some reason, i find myself tired of these kinds of things lately...
Stahlseele
it's a mix of wolverine and spiderman, how can you tire from something like that? o.O
i especially like it, when pool gets to meet wolvie or spidey ^^
hobgoblin
its more this "here is how these media tropes would unfold if the characters in them was anything close to mentally realistic" that tires me...

in the end it gives me something of the same feel that i get from reading lists of flaws found in movies and similar (wrong plants in the hobbit gardens, con trails overhead for instance).

or for that matter what was touched upon in a different thread, the "need" to deconstruct a story or similar, writing/talking at length about its individual part.

cant we ignorant dinosaurs just have our badwrongfun in peace, please?
Stahlseele
*shrugs*
i actually am a very big fan of the wolverine series . . i once had ALL OF THE COMICS in my possession . . at that point in time, there were about 600 or so i think . .
but i LOVE somthing silly like deadpool especially after having just read the whole wolverine shebang . . how many layers of brainwashings were there?
how many times was that man married?
how many of his wives got killed off again and again?
how many of the people close to him got killed off?
and how many was he forced to kill?
i think i actually lost count on how often he lost and regained his adamantium . . at least 3 times . .
so i read something silly like deadpool . . and they fuck me over with making him emo about not being able to stay dead with the sexy death waiting for him <.< . .
and loki of all people making him beautifull as a course?
and the whole story about him not being him? or him not remembering himself being himself?
the voodoo man was actually wade wilson? or WAS deadpool wade wilson?
i don't know, there were circles inside of triangles inside of rectangles <.< . .

also i just read:
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Deadpool will appear in the upcoming 2009 film X-Men Origins: Wolverine in which he will be played by Ryan Reynolds. Wizard Magazine ranked Deadpool the 182nd best comic book character of all time, of their list of the Top 200 Comic Book Characters of All Time. [2]

*twitch twitch*
Cthulhudreams
You can get 90% of the way there by making Deadpool have an ally spirit with the regeneration power posses him, which actually does almost all his powers. Give him channelling, and away you go.
Stahlseele
no.
he will still not know that he is a character played by a total nerd.
and using magic is cheating ._.
i was working on an idea to do the little yellow boxes . .
really small, maybe implanted holographic projector hooked up to his brain via DNI ^^
would also nicely explain the holographic imaging disguise
Cthulhudreams
Why not? That works even better in a way, he is literally being controlled by a third party
Stahlseele
i still say using magic for someone so obviously not magic is cheating in creation <.< . .
with things like the ghost-rider and other such magically happening characters, okay . . .
but deadpool is more or less doable without any magic, aside from the regeneration thing
Cthulhudreams
Yeah, you mean his single most defining characteristic? nyahnyah.gif
Cabral
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Dec 4 2008, 07:59 PM) *
but deadpool is more or less doable without any magic, aside from the regeneration thing

... the regeneration thing which works so well he can recover from any injury ... like magic? (in a twisted toxic sort of way) wink.gif

Screw it. Stat him as an amnesiac free spirit with regeneration and realistic form. smile.gif
Hagga
Inhabitation flesh form, maybe.

That said, I think Constantine would come off better in Shadowrun than Deadpool. (I looked up deadpool, okay? I'm busy reading 60 years of marvel comics through wikipedia, and constantine, the "blue collar warlock" seems like any Joe Mage.)
hyzmarca
QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ Dec 4 2008, 04:44 PM) *
The comic book version of Deadpool has regenerated, in minutes, from a puddle of organic goo.

I don't think SR has anywhere near that quick or total a healing power.


SR4 doesn't, but in SR3 Regeneration gave you a 2/3 chance of recovering from that level of damage in 3 seconds.
Seriously, the way Regeneration worked then was you rolled 1d6 with a TN of either 2 or 3, depending on the level of damage (3 was for severe burns, brain trauma, and everything beyond) and it all healed totally at the end of he combat turn. And you only had to roll for deadly damage and beyond. If your monitor wasn't full then you didn't have to roll at all.
But Regeneration was also much harder to get back then and the only method for a PC to obtain it (Immortal Flower) caused Essence loss if you regenerated took too much damage. Vampires are incredibly dangerous in SR3 for this reason alone.
Stahlseele
QUOTE (Cthulhudreams @ Dec 5 2008, 01:03 AM) *
Yeah, you mean his single most defining characteristic? nyahnyah.gif

nah, THAT is being an stark raving bonkers blabbermouth ^^

QUOTE (Hagga @ Dec 5 2008, 05:36 AM) *
Inhabitation flesh form, maybe.

That said, I think Constantine would come off better in Shadowrun than Deadpool. (I looked up deadpool, okay? I'm busy reading 60 years of marvel comics through wikipedia, and constantine, the "blue collar warlock" seems like any Joe Mage.)

read pool if you can get your hands on it. it's hilarious ^^
Especially, since nobody else gets to know, that they are in a comic *g*
Namelessjoe
i looked the surge for regeneration would have to be gm approved handwayving or house rule frown.gif but for the creation of a person from a different setting/world i dont care how you doit i wouild be down with the possesion you can still be possesed waven id you have butt tuns of cyber but would it get poped out if you started to regen?
Stahlseele
i don't think i understood all of that.
but cyber gets expelled in a most nasty way if the body it is in starts to regenerate/reclaim the space it takes up . .
Dr Funfrock
QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Dec 4 2008, 05:23 PM) *
in other words, deadpool was/is a ironic look at the best selling superheros in marvels portfolio...

kinda like how watchmen took some of the iconic golden age heros and retold them in a more realistic image...

for some reason, i find myself tired of these kinds of things lately...


Not quite. Originally the characters in Watchmen had just been purchased by DC from a Charlton Comics, and Moore was given the chance to write a 12 issue comic using said characters. They included The Blue Beetle, The Question, Peacemaker, Captain Atom, and Thunderbolt. However when DC saw what Moore intended to do with the characters, they balked, and asked him to rework the comic so that it would exist in it's own continuity, with new characters. Moore reworked the characters above into The Night Owl, Rorschach, The Comedian, Dr Manhattan, and Ozymandias, respectively. Several other characters were new additions, and the Silk Spectre is the closest to what you suggest, being a deliberate analogue of Black Canary and The Phantom Lady.

Also, lets not forget that Watchmen was released more than two decades ago. It hardly qualifies as "lately". wink.gif

QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Dec 5 2008, 03:29 AM) *
Especially, since nobody else gets to know, that they are in a comic *g*


Nobody else in Marvel. Ambush Bug has the same power in DC.
She-Hulk also comes close, with the recent material establishing that Marvel Comics exists within the universe of Marvel Comics, producing comics that directly retell (through unknown devisings) the adventures of all the major supers out there. She-Hulk uses some of her comics as materials for a legal case, because they were published early enough to have the stamp of the Comic Book Code, making them admissable legal documents. grinbig.gif
Stahlseele
ah, yes, i can see it now . . she-hulk in court waving around one of her own comic books:"I win this case! The Comic book says so!"
It trolls!
The most important question to me: Would Deadpool gain the "License to metagame" quality?
hobgoblin
QUOTE (Dr Funfrock @ Dec 5 2008, 11:24 PM) *
Also, lets not forget that Watchmen was released more than two decades ago. It hardly qualifies as "lately". wink.gif


when one recall events 10+ years in the past, like it was yesterday, ones sense of time ends up being a bit odd...
Stahlseele
QUOTE (It trolls! @ Dec 6 2008, 01:50 AM) *
The most important question to me: Would Deadpool gain the "License to metagame" quality?

Knoweldge Skill: Roleplaying Games of the 20th Century with Specialisation in Shadowrun 4/6 < = something like that? *g*
Critias
QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Dec 4 2008, 05:23 PM) *
in other words, deadpool was/is a ironic look at the best selling superheros in marvels portfolio...

No, actually, he isn't. His creation had nothing at all to do with Spider-Man, from his sarcastic quips to his costume, none of it had anything at all to do with Spidey. He originally came about as a Liefeld/Nicieza creation. Liefeld grew up a huge fan of the Teen Titans, and when he designed a super-agile, amazingly lethal, regenerating mercenary/assassin (who uses a mixture of guns and swords), all in a full facemask/hood, big clunky boots, a weapons belt, etc -- it was basically nothing but a knock-off of Deathstroke the Terminator, the long-running Teen Titans villain. Even his real name, Wade Wilson, is only a few letters off from Slade Wilson, Deathstroke's real name.

In order to use the character in Marvel titles (not DC, who owns the Titans), they had to think of something that made him real different from Deathstroke, so Deadpool got the quips, the chatter, the mouthy attitude, to offset him from the famously laconic Deathstroke.

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kinda like how watchmen took some of the iconic golden age heros and retold them in a more realistic image...

If by "iconic golden age heroes" you mean "characters most people wouldn't even recognize," then you're absolutely correct. The Peacemaker, Captain Atom, Phantom Lady, The Question, Blue Beetle, and Thunderbolt aren't exactly household names.
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