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AllTheNothing
QUOTE (The Jake @ Dec 14 2008, 01:16 PM) *
Sorry I had to double check this. It seems you are mistaken.

Pg. 78 Augmentation

Bold emphasis mine.


And again. More evidence follows that same page.

This is shadowtalk but the author is KAM (Dr. Karen Martin, formerly of UO) so I think you can take this as gospel.



The entire Genetic Engineering chapter seems pretty clear on this issue.

Feel free to houserule it away but RAW is quite clear on this.

- J.



Being not untherstood what triggers awekening it can't be ruled out that a clone of a mundane can aweken (you know in that same page you quoted there is a line about 1% of population being latent awekened), especialy because the line you quote stated tha clones grown for medical reasons are never awakened, medical clones are grown at accellerate speed (at p.127 of Augmentations the table states 8 weeks) this accellerated speed doesn't leav enough time to the brain to grow enough to control the metabolism requiring life support to be mantained alive, they are kept alive to harvest their organ when the need arises, they aren't persons because they have no sense of self (not even at an inconscious level), they are just living tissue kept alive by technological means no wonder they can never be awakened. Normal (not force grown) clones are essentialy new individual whos life is being artificialy primed using someone else genetic code (but if you think about it normal fecondation just mixes the genome of an individual with the one of another), he/she will (hopefully) grow and live his/hers life making his/hers own experiences and there is no reason that he/she can't happen to be awakened just because he wasn't result of sex.
Than if you could explain me where did I talk about egeneering awakened clones I would be thankfull because I'm at a loss about it.
The Jake
ATN, my apologies - it seems I cut the most pertinent part of your post.

QUOTE (AllTheNothing @ Dec 13 2008, 10:29 AM) *
This can get interesting in that a mundane could discover that he has an escaped clone who's awekened/emerged (how does he/she take it?); or think if Brackhaven happens to have a surged (or even better/worse goblinazed) clone around devil.gif .


I took this to mean that you were evaluating what whether a clone could Awaken. Augmentation all but categorically states that all clones are mundanes, even if sampled from an Awakened individual.

- J.
The Jake
QUOTE (Chrysalis @ Dec 14 2008, 05:11 PM) *
Considering that we may need 1000 clones for one to be awakened. And even then there might be other reasons, such as demanding a natural birth with a mother or demanding an area with a positive background count.

It is not that it is impossible, but needs better study parameters wink.gif

-Chrysalis


The only way it would be possible is if the GM introduced it, most likely for a huge, potentially game altering plot. I'm not even sure how you could introduce it while keeping it plausible with the context of the game setting.

Whatever approach taken it would have to come at exceedingly high cost and with very unpredictable results.

- J.
AllTheNothing
QUOTE (The Jake @ Dec 15 2008, 02:26 AM) *
ATN, my apologies - it seems I cut the most pertinent part of your post.



I took this to mean that you were evaluating what whether a clone could Awaken. Augmentation all but categorically states that all clones are mundanes, even if sampled from an Awakened individual.

- J.



My english is not that good and I might have got all that wrong but to my understanding is that medical clones (also known as wimps) can't ever be awakened, being the keyword "Medical" meaning brainless corpes grown for harvesting their organs; normal clones are a different thing and the "Escaped Clone" quality (Runner Companion p.97) doesn't say anything about character with it being unable to have awakened qualities.
It's a matter of interpretations.

In bocca al lupo.
Warentester
QUOTE (The Jake @ Dec 15 2008, 02:32 AM) *
The only way it would be possible is if the GM introduced it, most likely for a huge, potentially game altering plot. I'm not even sure how you could introduce it while keeping it plausible with the context of the game setting.

Whatever approach taken it would have to come at exceedingly high cost and with very unpredictable results.

- J.

If clones could never be awaken the Quality Escaped Clone would exclude the Quality Magician, Mystic Adept, Adept, Latent Awakening and such... but it doesn't. Thus it is possible.
The Jake
QUOTE (Warentester @ Feb 1 2009, 11:06 AM) *
If clones could never be awaken the Quality Escaped Clone would exclude the Quality Magician, Mystic Adept, Adept, Latent Awakening and such... but it doesn't. Thus it is possible.


Fair point.

I got nothing on that one. biggrin.gif

- J.
darthmord
Jake, there is also this text which you bolded from above...

To date, however, magus factors have evaded nearly all mapping attempts.

Take close note of the 'nearly all mapping attempts'. That means some mapping attempts worked.

Nearly All != All
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