Am I just blind? *starts to weep a little* I need my eyes. The come in handy for character creation and porn!

Prices for that and other Military-Grade Armor Enhancements can be found in the compiled tables at page 182.
And the rules are in it's description, it adds it's rating to characters strengt ingnoring limits on augmented atribute.

I missed that page entirely..... Wow. Thanks for the speedy reply

It is described as "Strength Upgrade" on page 51

Porn? O.o

double post

In 2070 you don't need eyes for porn, you just need a trode net and a simsense unit.

Yes how is it correlate with military grade armor?

You know, with the ubiquity of trode nets and VCR's, I don't understand why they don't just build military armor as hollow anthroform drones with a wired-only connection to the pilot via datajack.

Just mod it for hot sim and give it a simsense booster, and the pilot's physical attributes become utterly superfluous - and he gets 5 Initiative Passes.

Well... In Runner Havens, they do make mention of the fact that Ares is up to something much like that. On page 15, one of the Shadowtalkers posts that Ares is building armored exoskeletons and have been secretly testing them in Kowloon Walled City... It's just a rumor but hell, pretty scary if it's true.

It surprises me that it's not done already, take a milspec armor, add mobility and strenght upgrades, use the same software used in cyberlimbs and add a vehicle control rig (to interface the armor dirctly to the movement centers), maybe some touch sensors to make the movement more natural and some autoiniectors and you have turned your regular armor in an early Mjolnir from the halo-verse.

If you build in weapons and put on a jump pack* then you would have a Knight Saber Hard Suit.

* = with Shadowrun tech I think that you could build a jet pack capable of make short thruster assisted jumps

I was thinking the same thing...

- J.

I was thinking the same thing...

(IRON MAN)

- J.

Iron Man could be approximated by taking a Tomino and adding a rigger cocoon, but that would be more of Iron Monger.

one of my players is planning on doing this. i'm also going to be running a Fated Heroes campain SR3+1000 years or so. so i've been trying to figure mechs out. this has been what i've found most doable (the power armour/anthro drone with room for 1. i'm going more off Appleseed armors though.

Rigger Cocoon in a Tomino... damn why did I never think of that. Looks like my current Drone Rigger just got a new in game goal in life.

On a side note, I love the Tomino's name. As a pop culture reference it leaves me wanting to scream "Oh no it's a GUNDAM!" and laugh to myself hysterically every time I see it's name.

I would scream "OH GOD, WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!" Then I'd try to look non-main-characterish.

Tell the Hermetic:"I am my own Elemental!"

I'm currently playing a Mage that really needs to get retired. Mostly because he's borrowed shtick from iron man ( flying power armor), Dr. Oc ( articulated arms), Dr. Doom (super magical and technical aptitude and doesn't leave his armor), and venom ( the suit is possessed with an tainted spirit).

Question about MilSpec in General: Can you install Stuff like Skimmer discs in it and if so, are there any rules for such stuff?
If not, how would you handle the Armor Modification of such Cyberlimb Mods?

Rigged military armor? The cheapest platform with the desired mobility (besides cheating and using a rotordrone) is the MCT-Nissan Doberman. Walker, weapon mount, four slots. Add Rigger Cocoon, Armor, Signature Masking 2.

Tomino is an atroform, a drone with a body shaped after metahuman shape and using similar propulsion method (limbs), It's not a suit of armor, the space within its shell is filled by its interal workings, it can be adapted to contain a CCU so probably a head can fit in but the rest of the body? Rigger Cocoon is meant to be installed on vehicles or drones large enough that can be converted into vehicles. So unless you get your brain extracted from your body and fitted into a CCU no Tomino armor suit for you.

I'd go even further than AllTheNothing and say that drones aren't designed to carry passengers, internally or externally. Rigger Cocoon or not, you can't fit inside a Doberman.

Which suffers somewhat from the medium drones that are designed to carry passengers. I agree that the "Doberman" would become a walking rigger cocoon with gun on top, but it could be done.

What about the old SR3 Jim Suit ?
Transfer it to SR4 ...Tadaaah ?!

HeyaHeyaHeyaJa
Medicineman

Aren't the only passenger-carrying drones the ones that are basically walking seats? Like the medicare/wheelchair combo drone?

OK, so maybe riding on its back is a goer but I'm pretty sure a rigger cocoon is out for the Doberman...

Pardon my ignorance, what would a Jim Suit be?

Just found something in the "drone size table": drones that carry standard humans should be large. Please to be ignoring the Doberman suggestion, yes?

But how about this?
DC Horseman (enhanced Freight): Mod(Slots): Walker Mode(2), Armor (1), Rotating Remote Weapon Mount(2)

A Hardshell Diving Suit .A oneman vehicle with Arms and Legs
http://www.marinebio.net/marinescience/01intro/beimg/jim.jpg
It was in the Underwater Part of the Rigger Book (IIRC too much time has passed)

HokaHey
Medicineman

My basic idea in attempting to put a rigger cocoon on a Tomino would honestly be very simple. It's described in the book as being bulkier than a troll in full military grade armor and weighing in at 250kg or more. Considering that I play a dwarf, were I ever able to afford that drone, and were I to ever really actually attempt to put a rigger cocoon on the Tomino, I'd actually probably be looking at the back of the drone for this. Basically I'd have to clear it with my game master, but what I'd probably do is use that generic mod for things they didn't cover (Special Machinery/Storage) and a rigger cocoon put together to create something akin to pilot pod off the Tachikomas from GiTS:SAC, just dwarf sized and more flush with the back, kinda like a giant drone sized backpack with a hard, clam shell covering.

And yeah, I know it's completely impractical, and it'd probably get me killed... but sometimes a person's just gotta lose the black leather, reveal their pink mohawk, and try to do something just because it's awesome.

You die in a mech, you die as a mechwarrior. Style over substance in that regard!

Una muta da palombaro!
Thanks.

Arguable. Very arguable.

Worst case scenario, there's nothing stopping a PC designing their own and basing the design on the Tomino.



Yes you can. I did look this up the other day.

One character concept I was toying with was a character that wore a heavily customised mask, form fitting body armor and a lined coat. The FFBA + mask is environmentally sealed, with rebreathers/air filter out the mouth, commlink built into the help with a trode connection (or DNI via datajack - either way). Said mask would have all eye and ear mods out the wazoo and some other goodies built in. Specifically I was thinking software for judging intentions, skillsofts, etc. Other ideas involved making the suit fireproof, water proof, coating the jacket/mask/FFBA with ruthenium polymers, turning the jacket into a flying squirrel suit for low altitude jumps, etc.

I had a stack of ideas....

While not milspec armor, it was designed intentionally to be far more flexible and usable in multiple environments (and appear to be little more than run of the mill clothing).

- J.

Where did you look it up, J? I talked with my GM about it and he only said something along the lines "What you build in yourself is your own beer."

P.44 and P.128 of Arsenal covers basic modification rules for armor.

P. 128 also covers Vehicle & Weapon mods.

In short, all Vehicles/Weapons/Armor can support a finite number of mods. Players can pick and choose what items they want. There's zero reason why you can't install skimmer discs into armor, unless your GM is a total asshat or you as the player are coming up with lame/bizarro ideas.

If you're getting skimmer discs in say, boots that are part of FFBA or full body armor or greater, I don't see the issue.

- J.

Ah, thank you.

And he would be called... THE BATMAN!

FFBA has boots only in the full body version, and has no capacity rating (it makes sense it's made to be worn under clothes/armor, adding stuff would make it too bulky).
Also the only armors that display the ability of accepting enhacements similar to the one seen for cyberware a the military grade ones, I would leave it that way; beside that I think that almost any enhacement that can be installed in a cyber-limb/torso/skull can be installed in the relevant part of the armor as long it doesn't require replacement of part of the wearer body to work (such as telescopic cybrelimbs, just to make an example).

I don't know what armors have what capacity rating as my books aren't here. But most of them do have capacity IIRC.

If it has capacity, it can be done.

- J.