..so the all comes down to this.
after couple of hard words, shaking of heads, dice war and nice "Lets-get-us-all-drunk-as-deamons-and-deal-with-this-shit" we ended up to remake all characters because all characters were, in some way, over the line in by purpose or by mistake.

have to do something about that we all are DM's to time to time.

thanks for the comments.
we all needed them to remeber what were the restrictions. now the old ones are shreds and the new ones are writen nicely back of an job lists and ect...

it does not bother me to talk off topic as now the newbie character fight is over.
and mater of fact, i think with BeCKS system you can make too easily plain average character that has average about every thing. if you try to make stereo typied charcter it starts to cost huge thus worst rendering the whole character to "one and only thing" character OR "Jack of all trades" hot shot.
PB or ABCDE beats BeCKS anytime IMO.

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H&K -7529 "Hunter"(SptR) is my made weapon, among others. my page contains now a link for its complete stats if someone weants to see them. i have also made sniper rifle, heavy pistol and rifle that is called "overthrower" and that gun lives its name...

As was told to me, BeCKS is more specialized. It's cheaper to take something like Sorcery (Spellcasting) 4 (7). (Since you can't have a specialization at twice your general skill or more) Look at it that way instead of trying to make a comparable character with skills at 5 (7).

If you want a run down of average archetypes and their comparisons between creation systems, hunt down my thread called "Character Creation Systems" or something like that. If it still exists, that is.

If you could buy resources multiple times in BP, just buy the 5,000 a few hundred times until you have enough money (since it's cost is zero), or buy the 500 a few dozen times to get some extra skill points.

Yeah, that sounds about as smart as allowing people to use BeCKS for chargen with 64,000 Karma.

GM: OK. BeCKS. 64,000 Karma.
Player: OK. Night One with tons of SURGE and Edges, Adept (Path of the Magician), maxed Attributes, every Skill. Several initiations to boot, and lots of money.

If I get bored at work, I'll do just that. Just for fun.

The BeCKS system makes a possible customizing suggestion at the end the document that if the game is supposed to be very high-powered, the GM might allow people to buy more resources by first buying the full 1,000,000 with 120 Karma, and then maybe buying another 1,000,000 with another 120 Karma, or just keep buying more over the first 1,000,000 at 20,000/Karma. If the GM is being very stupid and allows this in a not-very-high-powered game, it will be a bit whacky.

toturi's main gripe seemed to be with Cash for Karma, which is not even suggested as a possibility in the BeCKS v2 document, and would be totally useless if it were (as I mentioned, it would take insane amounts of Karma to get any significant cash out of it).

30 Reaction, 4 init. Minimum roll of 4 (1,1,1,1) + 30 reaction = 34.

34, 24, 14, 4. Four actions, bucko.

Nope. He specifically said minimum of 30, and gave the maximum. So he -- OK, just did mental math. You are indeed correct. So he's got 4D6 + 30. Fair enough.

He should've specified, because it definately seemed to me that if he only rolled ones his initiative would be 30.

It would work if he were using d7s.

I have learned that reaction ain't squat in SR.. because if you get into a firefight.. something went wrong! I been thru 6 runs and only discharged one bullet.. one.. and that was to blast a lock!


I also know being a Gm and a Runner.. if you make a gun ho gunny bunny... you better have some other skills besides weapons.. because one bullet comes across teh wrong way and your fragged! I mean my Decker/Rigger... i am not a dronge rigger i am a counter rigger/getaway guy... but my main skills are Vechicals, Electronics, Computer, B/Rs, Stealth.. .my "secondary are ARs, Pistols, and unarmed" I know for a fact that i haven't really used my ARs.. i carry two when i know shit will hit the fan... a sniper ready one and a Combat ready one.. but i think the few times i whipped out my pistols and shot.. i hit.. and that one shot is what happens.. because once you get a medium are higher wound.. its all over with.

I mean.. you can Have move by wire system that gives you +20 init, +5d6 and you go twice your first two rounds.. but when unload a full auto burst into you.. or run you over with one of my vechicals.. you ain't gunna do much!

Being a Runner ain't about guns blazing.. shooting everything you see.. its about subtlefudge.. get what you need to do.. get it done.. let nothing know it happed but the people that pay you adn you split the pay with.. THATS it.. silence, stealth, and quickness are what you need to be a runner.. not big guns or lots of guns!

Yeah, I think we've all figured this much. However, sometimes the firefight is unavoidable, in which case the "gunbunny" is a real friend indeed.

Absolutely correct, which is why I halt-posted. However, it would've saved me the precious few bits of time doing the mental math to see if I actually was right.

You guys got it. I could actually push him to a base reaction of 32, by including an adrenal gland. However, the character seemed excessive enough.

Hehe... Seems NSRCG can't handle very big numbers. I put in 46,000 for the BeCKS number and it overflowed.

Posting in NSRCG thread now to see if mcmackie can use a higher vartype.

Just set it to 32767. That should be close enough.

But eventually they'll figure out you're using a capgun and just shoot you.

~J