In my experience, 20% is a bit of an overestimate, let alone 40%. Even on this board (10% is probably closer). And this board seems to have a higher % of people that didn't want to convert than anywhere else I've seen.

Bull

With a few minor exceptions withstanding, if you compare SR4 and SR3 stuff the conversions are pretty straightforward.

Lots of people who play SR3 are capable of doing the conversions. The point is they don't want to, and aren't likely to bother with a resource that entails more work for them in order to be useful.

But I think my point has been made clear. If the holdouts want to argue their case they can take it from here, but otherwise I'm done crapping on Bull's thread.

i dont know about the other sr3 "hold outs" but i would convert anything i liked to sr3. if it really becomes an issue for the others im sure there are a few like me that would be willing to do it.

hmmm... just thought i'd mention... i didn't vote for alternate rules, but it really strongly depends on the alternate rules. i doesn't factor as highly as the three i did choose, but it isn't something that i would completely disregard... but i would limit it to stuff that really addresses key points, and that solves the problem well, ideally requiring the least amount of changes to everything. from the old shadowrun supplemental, i remember being really interested in shadowrun d8 (which addressed the TN 7=TN 6 problem) and BeCKS, but i couldn't name much of anything else out of them...

so it really does depend on the alternate rules presented. if you were to hold up a really amazing alternate rule, i might put that specific rule as being in my top 3, but i wouldn't put alternate rules in general in my top 3.

I won;t promise anything yet, and it may take an issue or two, but we are seriously considering adding a "Conversions" page or some such in the back of the mag for SR3 rules conversion info, at least for gear and such. Just so ya know

Hey! Can we title Bull's editorial column in the magazine "Bull Crap" ?

It would be a humorously ironic title, I'm thinking. Or should it be Bull Drek?

(Humour intended, rather than offence),

K.

Been done

I wrote a column for my college game club newspaper called that. It was also the name of the original Off Topic board here (during the Deep Resonance days). Some of the original regs from there still run a spin off board called that

It would be appreciated Even if it's just a standard cheat sheet, 'intelligence = wits + perception/2" sort of thing, so I, as a non-SR4 player, can convert it myself without having to learn a new ruleset.