Pollution
Aug 22 2009, 08:54 PM
"Threading Stealth...."
but most often IC phrase would be, "Wait, wait, the Gunbunny did WHAT?!?!?!"
Kerenshara
Aug 22 2009, 08:57 PM
QUOTE (blindfox @ Aug 22 2009, 03:49 PM)

i could go on as well, but i didnt wanna lend my help to highjacking the thread too far
we have a lot of fellow weapon enthusiasts here and im sure we could dedicate an entire board to our chatter.
i cant count how much ammo ive dumped over the years but i'm easily up around 3 hundred thousand by now, so im not sure if i should be proud to be tackleberry or amusedly insulted
actually, i think i'll puff my chest up a little and go with it, ty

Good for you, Tack! Just remember to safe the weapon in your boxers... we wouldn't want that going off prematurely.
And as to the hijack, Piffle! And on two counts no less! First, this is Dumpshock. Second, as the looney Irishman said to William Wallace: "it's MY THREAD".
*grins*
blindfox
Aug 22 2009, 09:10 PM
(and incidentally, it looks like one of the major reasons the weapon is only good out to 200m is due to the round's design. too much lead not enough charge, no boat tail, etc. although it seems they limited the potential of the platform by ensuring it can still be used with mil-spec lowers. not a bad price if all you wanna do is throw a ginormous chunk of lead down range. if it's ballistics you're being swayed by, i'll admit that the ft. lbs. look attractive but not at such a sacrifice of range and accuracy. the best data IMHO comes from the 334 grain HP from a 24" barrel at 200m. retains much of its penetration and energy while drifting off target roughly 10"- the accepted constant for a man's head. id like to see the dope sheet at the range and what external factors may have contributed to these numbers.)
Kerenshara
Aug 22 2009, 09:17 PM
QUOTE (blindfox @ Aug 22 2009, 04:10 PM)

(and incidentally, it looks like one of the major reasons the weapon is only good out to 200m is due to the round's design. too much lead not enough charge, no boat tail, etc. although it seems they limited the potential of the platform by ensuring it can still be used with mil-spec lowers. not a bad price if all you wanna do is throw a ginormous chunk of lead down range. if it's ballistics you're being swayed by, i'll admit that the ft. lbs. look attractive but not at such a sacrifice of range and accuracy. the best data IMHO comes from the 334 grain HP from a 24" barrel at 200m. retains much of its penetration and energy while drifting off target roughly 10"- the accepted constant for a man's head. id like to see the dope sheet at the range and what external factors may have contributed to these numbers.)
You missed what that beast is actually supposed to be used for: instant disablement of vehicles and defeating barrier protection in close quarters. The performance beyond about 50 meters is almost imaterial, becasue you can be carrying a Grendel upper and swap out in seconds just changing the upper and selected magazine. Or the other way round, a vehicle's pushing in on your position, you pull out the short barrel version with the muzzle brake and slap it in, then pump ten rounds into the vehicle. That's going to stop it and make life difficult (as in hard to keep living) for the occupants. It's a brute force weapon, pure and simple. You need to disassemble vehicles beyond 200m? Grab a Barrett.
blindfox
Aug 22 2009, 09:43 PM
please believe, the barrett and i are well-aquainted, but you're suggesting its use in scenarios like flash TCPs. although with the current political climate in Iraq the final protective line has shrunk (thank you very much, SOFA

).......... you know what, im not gonna keep going in this line, let me redirect;
im envisioning its use. an unauthorized vehicle is approaching my position, MOUT environment, PSD scenario. im not going to let that vehicle get within 50m of my package, my FPL is 150m out. at that range i dont need a scope or anything ontop of the .50 beowulf. even if i have a no-value shot on the guy, tracking a fast mover in a scope's field of view at that range is difficult. prolly a holo sight, EOTech or somesuch. so i drop a mag into the guy's engine block and as he comes to a halt my homies go scoop him up and we get started with EPW and the 5 S's and all that jazz. im just not really seeing why the .50 is better for this than 7.62x51. two 6 - 9 round bursts from a M240 can handle that just as well and probably faster, plus the .30 cal can reach out and deliver more ft. lbs at longer range.
also, perhaps i started drinking too early in the day and have kind of drifted off... i feel like im rambling so ima shut up for a minute
Kerenshara
Aug 22 2009, 09:55 PM
QUOTE (blindfox @ Aug 22 2009, 04:43 PM)

*snip*
No, you're fine. I was more envisioning not just defensive problems, but offensive. Reinforced metal door/jamb? No problem. Guy behind cinderblock baricade while house clearing? No problem. Things like that. Seen some footage of that round in use. *shudders*. Like a 12-gauge from hell. Keep in mind that most of the automatic 7.62x51mm NATO autofire weapons are full-up machine guns, as in tripod mounted. This thing's the size and (ok, a good margin heavier) weight as the M4 carbine. It's about getting the potential firepower into place as soon as possible. The few portable 7.62 autofire weapons are bloody hard to control in full-auto.
blindfox
Aug 22 2009, 10:11 PM
i'm seeing your point. i agree that it will be faster to emplace than a MG, even if the weapon is modified and geared towards MOUT. not trying to be argumentative but for the dude behind the reinforced door? det cord or even C4. behind the wall? water charge. im also trying to see the combat load carrying this puppy. yer gonna be either carrying the 5.56 upper and maybe 5 or 6 mags for that and 2 or 3 mags for the .50 (which will be very heavy in and of themselves) not counting cuffs, NVD's, demo/ pyro, communications equipment, etc. or you'll be dedicated solely to that platform. this means you have to carry more of those heavy mags and perhaps reduce specialty equipment you were carrying and you'll be unable to redistribute ammo during the consolidate and reorganize phase. or carry it not at all. i see the benefits to the system but in the end, its just another arrow in the quiver
Chrysalis
Aug 22 2009, 11:44 PM
The gun bunnyism is a fascinating topic, but move it to general gaming.
Red-ROM
Aug 23 2009, 03:12 AM
Jasper, old, short, fat rigger from the CAS:
"I'm game, but I imagine security will be tighter than a Nun's snaredrum. "
"We need to get outa the Lonestar search radius. Preferably somewhere a little more Boozer friendly "
"Well that was about as smooth as a one legged waltz"
"I know I'm about as stealthy as a fart in wind chime shop"
" You don't get to be my age by givin people the benefit of the doubt. If that cab driver is still alive, I'll bet he'd agree with me"
Darklordofbunnies
Aug 23 2009, 05:23 PM
My dwarf hacker talking to an adept: "Look, I'm not smarter than you, I'm smarter than ALL of you added together." (arms wide, gesturing at team)
Ivan, troll street sam: <insert random showtunes with a thick russian accent> "What, you don't mind Ivan singing, DO YOU?!?
Pendaric
Aug 23 2009, 09:50 PM
"Chill, your like a brother ta me. I am giv'n omae discount on me fixing fee. 20% gross Trog, you'd scan JJ think of you like blood."
"Kung Fu is my decking. Why place bounderies where none exist?"
To light a candle if to cast a shadow. You cannot be childish with your power...
The ORK is ....
I fragging hate Humanis
Kerenshara
Aug 24 2009, 05:00 PM
"You know, I should have thought of it right up front: if the Primary is a high-profile target, it's not a 'Voluntary Extraction', it's 'kidnapping'. Do you have a place we can stay?" -Kerenshara to "Uncle Jack"
Warlordtheft
Aug 24 2009, 05:20 PM
QUOTE (blindfox @ Aug 22 2009, 05:11 PM)

i'm seeing your point. i agree that it will be faster to emplace than a MG, even if the weapon is modified and geared towards MOUT. not trying to be argumentative but for the dude behind the reinforced door? det cord or even C4. behind the wall? water charge. im also trying to see the combat load carrying this puppy. yer gonna be either carrying the 5.56 upper and maybe 5 or 6 mags for that and 2 or 3 mags for the .50 (which will be very heavy in and of themselves) not counting cuffs, NVD's, demo/ pyro, communications equipment, etc. or you'll be dedicated solely to that platform. this means you have to carry more of those heavy mags and perhaps reduce specialty equipment you were carrying and you'll be unable to redistribute ammo during the consolidate and reorganize phase. or carry it not at all. i see the benefits to the system but in the end, its just another arrow in the quiver
To tie back on topic:
QUOTE (Lok1 :) @ Aug 7 2009, 07:06 PM)

The abilty of this fourm to stay on topic is insurmotable.
See. Back on topic.
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