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otakusensei
I had a group of players capture a guy and drag him back to their lair. They start torturing the guy for information, getting real in depth on what they were going to doing. So the leader gets done describing all the awful things he's been doing for the last few minutes and then looks at me and says in character, "Why aren't you talking?"

And I say in character as the NPC, "You haven't asked me anything yet!"

So not in character, but "You haven't asked me anything yet" has become table code for "We've been doing something stupid".
Bugfoxmaster
Wow...
It's surprising how often I forget to do that sort of thing - usually my problem's something like
'I break his finger'
and the GM replies 'OK, he screams in pain, ans says he'll do whatever you want', and I just go
'Ok, answer my question'
Resulting in the same answer you got...
X-Kalibur
QUOTE (Bugfoxmaster @ Aug 20 2009, 12:48 PM) *
Wow...
It's surprising how often I forget to do that sort of thing - usually my problem's something like
'I break his finger'
and the GM replies 'OK, he screams in pain, ans says he'll do whatever you want', and I just go
'Ok, answer my question'
Resulting in the same answer you got...


Break more fingers. If that doesn't work, start removing fingers. Get creative from there... use a knife and start stripping nerves maybe.
The Dragon Girl
"It'll be great!" The hit woman grins in a manic and disturbing fashion.

"There's no justice in the shadows.. just my gun" She pats the rifle beautifully engraved with its name -Justice, part of a matched pair with a pistol named Judgement.
Warlordtheft

"Fragging amateurs...."

My fave

"Fragging danlion eatin, trog lovin, halfer slotting breeder. What the drek were you slotting!"
Kerenshara
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Aug 20 2009, 09:57 AM) *
Happy not to disappoint ^^
Also, your threads are usually at least lookint at for me. They are just not worth responding to, when i don't understand what you are talking about again, you silly gun nut ^^
Well, sad as it is, but that one statement basically sums up my complete running career in less than 10 words <.<#
and frustrated exasperated resigned is spot on in about 90% of the time too . .
in the other 10%, it's usually a bit more jubilant in tone and earns much groaning all around ^^

I am NOT a gun nut! I just happen to find them interesting in some great depth and find shooting to be more centering than any other form of meditiation (yes, you read that right), and an hour at the range more relaxing than a three-day-weekend... unless one of those days is at the range.

Yeah, I heard the other 10% myself too. My question is: Does it sum up your 'running career because your party members are all hopelessly uncreative and your GM a bit repetitive, or because somehow you always wind up as the one sane motherslotter on the team?

One of the more ammusing quotes from our table in a very early game with Kerenshara from an NPC and my response, both entirely deadpan and IC:

Kerenshara: "You mean I actually get to meet Professor Plum? As in, physically?"

Hardcore: "God, it scares me when she says stuff in that crazy psycho killer voice..."

Kerenshara: "It's not crazy..."

Nothing at all about the psycho killer part, you notice...
Stahlseele
QUOTE
My question is: Does it sum up your 'running career because your party members are all hopelessly uncreative and your GM a bit repetitive, or because somehow you always wind up as the one sane motherslotter on the team?

Bit of both, actually.
That and i get fed up when we have an initial plan in 5 to 10 minutes, and then 3 hours later there's still arguing about details . .
3 Hours REAL TIME LATER . . in game, most of the preparations for the initial plan are by that time usually in place . .
And then i give them a fair warning, that i will take the next best available vehicle and a big load of weapons through the front door in about 15 minutes, if they ain't done by that time.
They usually aren't, so there comes the resignating part. If i think it's gonna be fun and easy, Gimme my gun is usually the initial plan and that's about 10% of the time, when i say it with a happy voice ^^
Chrysalis
One of our signature maxims is which have spurned off from GURPS SPace and started living their own life in every game:

- No punk bands
- No combat drugs

MikeKozar
The Heavy Weapon Specialist: "I love it when they bunch up like that..."
The Overlord
When I play as my favorite char, a Rigger/hacker/general gunman named "The Overlord" grinbig.gif, He prefers to remain unassociated with the other characters he works with, not just for personal reasons, but for profit. In his own little world he sees himself as a the head, and sole employee of a buisness quite naturally named "Overlord Inc." with his buisness motto being:
You Pay
You Point
And we Pillage

It is also worth noting that he frequently switches between dressing like a hobo and Evil looking full plate mail.
Fezig
I do remember a very funny situation that took place in a somewhat short lived story arc I ran a few years back....

It was slight alteration of a SR Missions adventure in which the players had to harass a business until it was ready to sell. They were also told that the purpose was to defame the security company contracted to them. They hijacked shipments, vandalized property, and finally they decided to go with good old fashion B&E.

During the B&E the hacker chose to have some fun with the companies public node.
The company motto was "Shoot first, interrogate later".
The hacker turned it into a troll porn node
The node motto was "Shoot first, interrogate later".

Yup....that is a run that still gets remembered and joked about every time I introduce a random security corp to use for a little bit.
Prime Mover
Two phrases I hear my players say alot.

1. You mean after all that he's still not dead? Seriously?

2. (After 4 hours of planning fails to take into account something obvious.) Fuck it just aim the van at the front doors!
InfinityzeN
QUOTE (X-Kalibur @ Aug 20 2009, 12:51 PM) *
Break more fingers. If that doesn't work, start removing fingers. Get creative from there... use a knife and start stripping nerves maybe.

Actually, I think the point was that he forgot to ask a question.
BlueMax
QUOTE (Prime Mover @ Aug 20 2009, 03:38 PM) *
Two phrases I hear my players say alot.

1. You mean after all that he's still not dead? Seriously?

2. (After 4 hours of planning fails to take into account something obvious.) Fuck it just aim the van at the front doors!


The second quote is something I hear after half an hour of bickering about what the plan should be....

BlueMax
WyldKnight
"Subtly? Subtly!? Who are we the japanese?! Screw subtly! AMERICA" Usually followed by a large explosion.

Talking to a Aztechnology admin while in his system.

"So they want me to steal this file without the system knowing I did it. Now I could go about this the "smart" way and just stealth like hell through the whole thing or I could do it "my way" and shove a blackhammer up your ass. Either way I get the file and you lose your life."

"If I just let you take it I'll only lose my job."

"You work for Aztechnology, those terms are inseperable."

Surrounded by Ares Firewatch

Gun Adept - Crap, were surrounded...

Techno - Yay were surrounded!

Shaman - How is that a good thing?!

Techno - Cuz I've been saving this for a rainy day *Activates the explosives surrounding his safe house blowing up every firewatch team around them, heavily damaging their vehicles, and basically laying waste to everything but their air support.

Rigger - ....how long have you had that?

Techno - Long enough for me to thank god they still went off.

All said by my Wakyambi techno Akachi. Loves meat combat more then matrix combat ever since he got that huge drone he can ride in and 5 IPs to lay waste to his enemies.
Tachi
QUOTE (Kerenshara @ Aug 20 2009, 12:34 AM) *
Here's a hint about the alternate firearm rules I'm almost done with (the Praetor was the catalyst for my effort)

Damage: 4P
AP: -2
Range: extend the Medium and Long ranges by 20% each but leave Short and Extreme as-is, it's a very accurate round.
Reliability: +1 (Need 1 extra "1" to be a glitch / critical glitch)

Leave the rest as printed, but if you choose the "Electronic Firing" option from the factory, magazine goes to 55.

How's that?


I know this is late in the thread to ask about this post, but uh, did you account for the 5.7's tendency to penetrate 6 inches and make a near 90 degree turn? Some kind of weird spalling physics, due to it's extreme instability, I'm not sure of the full reason. I know it's a small round, but, I'd up it to 5P, that's just me, though, no point in really complicating the issue with such irrelevancies, just curious.
BookWyrm
"Please, spirits, let this run go smoothly and right for us this time, please?"

"One question: WHY did you bring (insert useless item here)?!"
Octopiii
QUOTE (Kerenshara @ Aug 20 2009, 05:30 AM) *
Just gotta know... is "Hamburger" somebody's name? I see it's capitalized but...

You know the other verstion of the last, right?

"Hey, Mom! Watch THIS!"

THESE are the kind of thing that I'm more accustomed to hearing at our table, though I have to admit I as looking for "cool" lines as opposed to "sillies" but I'm having nothing but giggles reading over all these so far.


Hamburger was my Street sammy's name. The other two quotes are actually mine. "Watch this" got him immortalized as a fad on the 2072 version of youtube after coating a car show with white phosphorous grenades (I always imagine an Orxploitation soundtrack with 'watch this' repeated like a dj scratching) and "What's the plan again?" is a good OC way to say "enough discussion, let's get gaming" and also IC highlight Hammy's general ineptitude at anything other than destroying things.

EDIT: But my favorite quote was "My therapist says I should try a non-confrontational solution first." during our last run after the entire table stared at me when I suggested sneaking through the pirate camp instead of immediately opening fire.
vladski
My Gencon '06 SR Tourney sensory adept Federal Marshal modeled loosely after House (the gimpy, ascerbic doctor on the hit tv show):

Repeatedly, when asked to do something dangerous he would go, "I am NOT a field agent. I sit at a desk. I file paperwork. I get paid to think."  He repeated this "I'm NOT a field agent!" several times throughout the adventure. Then, (after being shot twice, blown up and had nearly seen what lies on the otherside), as he was "cuffing" the terrorist they'd finally caught, he went balistic with his cane on the guy's head. 

"I can't be hitting you.  I am NOT a field agent. Nope, this isn't happening at all.  Couldn't be.  Not *whack* A *whack* Field *whack* Agent *whack whack whack.* Not *whack* IN The Field *whack*You have the right *whack* to remain silent *whack* Anything you say *whack* can and will be used against you... *whack whack whack.*"

I think technically he might have been able to get out on appeal because he couldn't have been conscious by the time I finished Miranda.  grinbig.gif

My team and I won that year, btw.  It was one of the greatest runs I've ever played in at Gencon. smile.gif



Vlad

Method
Had a near-cyberzombie assassin wipe out an entire warehouse full of mooks once. It went something like this:
-- Last Mook: "Wha... what are you?!" (as he bleeds and crawls toward cover)
-- Assassin: "I'm a messenger." (reloading his pistol)
-- Mook: "<gargle>...what's the message?"
-- Assassin: "It's not for you..." <BANG> cyber.gif

-------------------------

On a lighter note- my old players like to shout "Surprise, cockfags!!" in Brock Samson fashion whenever they breech a room or ambush anybody. biggrin.gif
Method
QUOTE (Kerenshara @ Aug 20 2009, 06:30 AM) *
You know the other verstion of the last, right?

"Hey, Mom! Watch THIS!"
I prefer "Hold my beer and watch this..."
toturi
Ahem...

"DIE, MEATBAGS!"

and "See told you so."
StealthSigma
QUOTE (toturi @ Aug 21 2009, 02:43 AM) *
"DIE, MEATBAGS!"


I sense HK-47's presence....
Lansdren
I am currently playing a combat street mage who is carrying a spellcasting focus he has dubbed the boomstick. This has caused his most likely response to a combat situation to be

Boom MotherF**ker

toturi
QUOTE (StealthSigma @ Aug 21 2009, 07:43 PM) *
I sense HK-47's presence....

Since I'm the GM, I get to build the cyborgs. A cyborg with the delusion he is really a droid called HK-47.

DIE MEATBAGS!
GreyBrother
But... isn't he - as a cyborg - a bag of meat himself? Just smaller?
Kerenshara
QUOTE (Tachi @ Aug 20 2009, 09:35 PM) *
I know this is late in the thread to ask about this post, but uh, did you account for the 5.7's tendency to penetrate 6 inches and make a near 90 degree turn? Some kind of weird spalling physics, due to it's extreme instability, I'm not sure of the full reason. I know it's a small round, but, I'd up it to 5P, that's just me, though, no point in really complicating the issue with such irrelevancies, just curious.

*laughs*

It's that odd reason that the 5.7x28 has nearly the stopping power of one of the heavy rounds. It has such low mass to begin with that if it kept going straight it would blow through things left and right leaving lots of neat little holes. It also has to do with how I #1) handled the diferences between certain rounds and #2) coincidentally how the existing system handles them.

Low-velocity rounds gain damage as barrel length increases, but their penetration still doesn't markedly increase. High velocity rounds already are blowing through the body, but the extra velocity from a longer barrel will help them punch through armor more efficiently. Thus a Light Pistol round in an SMG is 5P/- and a Heavy Pistol round in an SMG (e.g. Thompson) does a whopping 6/-1 like a light assault rifle but without the range. Now, the 5.7x28mm has very low mass, but incredible velocity even out of a pistol-length barrel, combined with the terminal on-target performance, I assigned it a 4/-1 that scales up to 4/-2 in a SMG length barrel. Most new pistol-caliber development trends I have seen are in these high velocity lower-mass rounds, so I called this Medium Pistol for how it seems to lay out.

I used the same logic to work fowards and backwards to a Light Rifle (6.5x39mm Grendel) doing 6/-1 (I assumed this was the base assault-rifle caliber of the era) and a Heavy Rifle (7.62x51mm NATO) round doing 7/-2 since this was close enough to other civilian rounds for the abstracted numerical handling of 4th Ed to handle. If you put the Heavy Rifle round into a 50% longer barrel (read: sniper) then you're going to wind up with 7/-3, just like a number of the sniper weapons in the book - the PSG Enforcer is heavily modelled off the IRL H&K MSG-90, firing the 7.62x51. Rather than screw around with calling the 7.62 medium and something like .460 WBM heavy then the rare (yes, it's rare) .50 bmg super-heavy, I just settled for lumping everything heavier than 7.62 under Gonzo. Essentially, the "Gonzo" category of both pistol and rifle rounds implies unique status and frees me to play with the numbers a lot more; I tried to keep the lighter calibers mechanically and linearly progressive.

Make sense?
Kerenshara
Not that you guys have heard it from her yet, but Kerenshara cribbed a phrase her Grandfather used from way back, and extrapolated it. Yes, she has issues.

Person expresses concern for her after an emotionally traumatic event, and she replies:

K: "Pain is weakness leaving the body."

P: "I'm not talking about physical pain..."

K: "Sorrow is weakness leaving the soul."
LynGrey
"Drive 'n dive" A dodge minivan full of explosives that is....

"Don't worry, I GOT A MEDKIT" A gernade goes off at a runners feet, and another player screamed this!

Marwynn
Decker/Rigger: "If it ain't broke... try and try again."

Face Mage: "Don't let it go to your head." (Manipulation Mage)

Gun Bunny Adept: "Hard to argue with a bullet. Or ten."

KarmaInferno
"I'm getting too old for this shit."

(Note that the character in question is a 67 year old Desert Wars veteran)







-karma
InfinityzeN
Oh, one I forgot though it is not Shadowrun

*PC about to fire on a church with a rocket launcher, makes sign of the cross*
"May God rebuild what I blow asunder"

*total pink mohawk walks up to to guard* "I came here to kick ass and chew gum..."
*guard pulls out a pack of big red* "Here, have a piece"
*Mohawk looks totally shocked* "Bu.. wait... thats not how it goes!"
-insert evil GM laugh at foolish players trying to copy RRP

*GM in vampire game* "The man in a suit stops and begins sniffing the air strangely, before looking at you. Suddenly he roars out 'die wyrm spawn' and shifts into this horrorific monster nearly ten feet tall and charging you"
*Quick thinking PC* "I grab the sawed off from under the seat and blast him..." *rolls, hits, damage* "... for 8 points of damage"
*GM smirks* "Let me just roll soak..."
*All three PCs in unison* "8 points of aggravated unsoakable damage."
*GM* "...and then tear the sheet up and burn it."

*PC staring eye to eyes with a intelligent demon possessed giant squid*
"I ate your kids for lunch, they were delicious"

*In that voice you know so well*
"We salute you mister lone star policeman. You corrupt nature has allowed crime to overflow my home and drug dealers on every corner. So mister lone star policeman, this bullets for you."

*Elf face talking, with a large drooling troll holding a combat axe behind him*
"This is my friend 'Mr. Axe Murder'. He really wants to ea... I mean meet you. I can send him out to get beer, but you gotta give me something. Heck, I'll even let you have a beer."

*After a player unloads a full burst into the face of what was, unknown to him, a high force spirit possessed ape*
Me "It growls deeply and shakes its head back and forth as you would when a bug is buzzing your face. You hear the musical tickling sound of metal hitting the floor around it, before it refocuses its glowing red eyes on yours and begins leaning in closer, the rumble of its growl vibrating your chest. Your shot didn't even seem to ruffle the fur on its head."
PC "I shoot it again." <- guess how well that worked
BishopMcQ
"Don't worry guys, I got this one..."

"How hard can it really be?"

"I've got the ugly one...you get the rest." Generally followed by the classic, "which one's the ugly one?"

"FWOOOSH!" for the Combat Mage

"If you think I'm crazy, wait till you meet my team..."

"Would you like a smoke?" My Possession mage with laes cigarettes.
Bugfoxmaster
"You're going to slide a long, silver bullet into that tightly greased chamber? In front of the CHILDREN?!"
Props if you remember where that's from.

"I cast a fireball! Force 5!"
"But there are small CHILDREN in the room"
"Right... All right, I cast a fireball. FORCE 9! DIE, YOU LITTLE BAGS OF MEAT!"
DireRadiant
"Guns have no drain"... mage after emptying the SMG.. followed by, "Yes I have a combat spell, but it would have killed everyone, including me."

"Kids are extra, check the price list"

"There's a reason they call themselves Johnsons."
Tachi
QUOTE (Kerenshara @ Aug 21 2009, 08:17 AM) *
It's that odd reason that the 5.7x28 has nearly the stopping power of one of the heavy rounds. It has such low mass to begin with that if it kept going straight it would blow through things left and right leaving lots of neat little holes. It also has to do with how I #1) handled the diferences between certain rounds and #2) coincidentally how the existing system handles them.


I do actually know quite a bit about guns. (You may want to look under "Interests" on my profile, if you have not done so. wink.gif ) It was my understanding that the 5.7 did higher than normal damage because it's lower rate of spin causes the bullet to tumble after it penetrates (the normal version actually doesn't penetrate very well when fired from a pistol due to it's low mass, however, the SS198 [I think, I can't remember the # off the top of my head, though it would probably help if I wasn't 1/3 of the way through a bottle of Crown Special Reserve, Spellcheck is made for moments like this] military version has a hardened core that allows it to penetrate body armor with greater ease), the trajectory change is on top of the extra damage from the tumbling that brings it up to parity with heavier rounds.

The original 5.56 had the same tendency to tumble after it hit, before they changed the barrel twist rate from the old 1:13 and 1:11 that they had when the bullet still weighed 59 grains to the new 1:7 twist (a mistake in my opinion as it overstabilized the round and reduced it's damage potential, but with the adoption of the M249 and it's need for the 1:7 twist with the heavier 62 grain bullet to use it, they had to to keep a standardized ammo for all 5.56 weapons, and it did improve accuracy, not that it really needed it).

But, that was just my take on it, and I could be wrong. grinbig.gif
Tachi
Sorry if that's a bit rambling and incoherent, I'm a little further into the wind than just three sheets. In fact, I could probably stand to reduce sail a little at this point.

hmm... bad nautical jargon, I R not sailor.
Those little orange "Go to first unread" icons are getting hard to click, they keep moving around on me. I hereby petition Dumpshock to increase their size by 300% for just such occasions. wobble.gif
Kerenshara
QUOTE (Tachi @ Aug 21 2009, 09:44 PM) *
I do actually know quite a bit about guns. (You may want to look under "Interests" on my profile, if you have not done so. wink.gif ) It was my understanding that the 5.7 did higher than normal damage because it's lower rate of spin causes the bullet to tumble after it penetrates (the normal version actually doesn't penetrate very well when fired from a pistol due to it's low mass, however, the SS198 [I think, I can't remember the # off the top of my head, though it would probably help if I wasn't 1/3 of the way through a bottle of Crown Special Reserve, Spellcheck is made for moments like this] military version has a hardened core that allows it to penetrate body armor with greater ease), the trajectory change is on top of the extra damage from the tumbling that brings it up to parity with heavier rounds.

The original 5.56 had the same tendency to tumble after it hit, before they changed the barrel twist rate from the old 1:13 and 1:11 that they had when the bullet still weighed 59 grains to the new 1:7 twist (a mistake in my opinion as it overstabilized the round and reduced it's damage potential, but with the adoption of the M249 and it's need for the 1:7 twist with the heavier 62 grain bullet to use it, they had to to keep a standardized ammo for all 5.56 weapons, and it did improve accuracy, not that it really needed it).

But, that was just my take on it, and I could be wrong. grinbig.gif

The jury's out on the actual on-target performance of the 5.7x28mm round. I'm going for a neutral estimation that splits it down the middle. If I went straight for the top of what the proponents of the round (myself included) believe, who'd ever use anything else, especially in a game system? As to the 5.56, omaye, screw the bench and range tests. That round won't penetrate drek in the field. Accuracy be damned, it won't punch through surpriingly thin materials... like safety glass windshields; It just breaks up. Nice performance on an unarmored target (1970's Soviet Infantryman), but against an armored opponent or somebody behind something more substantial than sheetrock (anecdoatally, some heavier car doors!) the thing just doesn't perform. That's why the US Army is SERIOUSLY looking at a new round. They were pretty set on the 6.8 SPC (which has the same magazine dimensions as the 5.56, which they like), largely due to some SERIOUS lobying by the nice people at Remmington. The 6.8 SPC round's a great performer across the entire envelope of the 5.56's expected performance envelope. But then a couple of wizenhiemers over at Alexander Arms decided they could do better, and what they came up with was the 6.5 Grendel. Now, you lose two rounds in a STANG magazine (28 vice 30) but what you GET is a round which outperforms the 6.8 SPC in EVERY category (especially with the Lapua load), but even manages to match the performance of the 7.62x51mm NTO round out to beyond 600 meters, and nearly match it out to 1000m, something the 6.8 just can't do and the 5.56 can't even dream of. It's got the punch up close of the 7.62, long range accuracy of the 7.62, but gives you 40% more rounds in the same space/weight and offers 50% less felt recoil. If that's not something to write home about, I don't know what is. Now, if a "light" assault rifle bullet is going to achieve that level of performance, I expect somebody to pretty quickly turn around and apply a lot of the same engineering to the "heavy" 7.62 round to bring ITS performance into the same league. Now won't THAT be something else when it happens? That's why I'm assuming the 6.5x39mm Grendel as the theoretical "light" rifle round and the "future" 7.62x51mm NATO replacement to be the "heavy" brother when I'm doing my calculations. And the funny thing is, it fits within the framework of over 75% of the existing weapons (mainly the "sporting" rifles break the mold in AP, which any cop will tell you is bulldrek - full-up hunting rounds punch as hard or harder through armor than AR rounds) as listed.

Finally, and back to the SS192 load, yes: it's a serious beast on pentration and has the extra mass to carry though with terminal performance on target. But let's be honest here: that's just one half mark shy of being full-up APDS by SR4 terms, and those rounds are "F" in real life. The basic round is still clipping along at 2000+ FPS/ 600+ mps out of a 10"/25cm barrel. The velocity falls off by about 10-15% out of a pistol-length barrel, but is still VERY respectable. The LEGAL rouds that I have seen numbers on are still burning along at nearly those speeds, but with a 40gr bullet that has a respectable amount of authority. So out of a P90, I'm calling them 4P/-2. Against an unarmored person, they're not as hefty as a much heavier but lower velocity hollow-point round. On the other hand, against an armored opponent, they are FAR more likely to wind up doing true Physical damage due to the reduction in armor value. Sure, total damage won't be as high on the average roll due to how base damage is resisted by armor yadda yadda. But if what you're out for is real Physcial damage and not flattening light ammunition against body armor, that's the way to go. And that's oddly exactly what NATO's original thinking was like. Add the insanely flat and fast trajectories making for EASY medium and long-rage shooting, and you've got something worth taking no matter what.

Is that a better explanation? Or do you have some other bit for me that I've missed? If so, toss it at me, I'm always willing to re-think.
Tachi
You don't have to preach to me about the 5.56, you're speaking to the choir, here. I'm a big fan of the 6.8 SPC (6.5 grendel is nice as well) and the .308 7.62x51 (LOVE my old Remington 700 with a 42x12 scope, can you say "Better than the M-40)?. I was just comparing the 5.7 to the old 59grain 5.56 rounds which had a tendency to tumble after impact which was very similar, the main difference of which was that the 5.56 didn't make 90 degree turns. That's all.

The 192? That may be it, I spend most of my time modifying Stoner's and 1911s that people have emotional attachment to for some absurd reason (I sold my $5000 Kimber at a loss and didn't care), exact military idents tend to be quickly forgotten when you spend all your time playing with other peoples toys. But, I have fired the MilSpec 5.7 rounds from a P90 (I don't care what anyone says, FN makes some NICE STUFF, or, at least, fun to play with, 50rnd mags FTW). I have a friend in an undisclosed PD who let me go hog wild one day. I'm considering purchase of an SR21 .308 to replace my 20 year old AR-10. Like I said, "drunken posting". It's kinda like drunken boxing, but not as effective.

For the record:
I am a gunsmith. My daily CCW pistol is a Smith & Wesson M&P .40. I used to carry a Glock 21, but, the damn thing kept jamming on me (do NOT believe the HYPE), sent it back to the factory, they said there was nothing wrong and sent it back, still problematic. Sold it, bought another, still had problems (do not say "it's that ammo you're using", I know what I'm doing and use good ammo unless I'm running failure drills, in which case I use the most fucked up ammo I can find, can you say Czech Republic?). Sold it, bought the M&P and haven't had it jam except on out of round cartridges, and it even fired some of those that the Glock would have rejected). Only problem I've had with my M&P is that the first time I fired it, the left rear sight dot (just paint) hit me in the face, I wrote to S&W and they sent me a new Tritium front and rear night sight to replace the regular three dot sights I had, free, they even paid shipping themselves (Upgrade... Woot!!!!).

Main weapons: My favorite Toys (as of this posting)
AR-10 .308, for now [Quad rail, full length at the 12 o'clock, Magpull Grip-pod, removable red dot with an ACOG, 3rd Gen night sight, watch your wallet the military has moved to 4th gen, 3rd gen should be RELATIVELY cheap, about $2000, unless you really shop aroound, for those nights when the prarie dogs are being exceptionally sneaky, actually, I have a 22-250 for that, but It sounds funny when I say it, well, to me anyway.]

Remington 870 12ga. [Folding stock, 12rnd keeper on the receiver, 24rnd bandolier sling, tritium ghostrings, heat shroud, under-barrel Blackhawk Gladius Low-light system (me likey very much), in a generic mounting, I have an 1100 but only use it for pheasant hunting. Three round plug? Are you fucking kidding me? No? Fuckin Liberals!!!!)

M&P .40 [Pull the trigger and it fires, first itme EVERY time. Stripped version. *Wiggles trigger finger* This is may safety, damnit! Xiphos light system from Black Hawk that I like VERY MUCH, Blackhawk CQC holster, I don't know if any of you have used the CQC holsters, but, these things ROCK to the Nth degree!!!! Add an elastic lanyard for when you are jumping fences etc. and the pistol is VERY secure, no I don't use the police retention versions, stripped quick-draw versions have me at a current 1.42 second average draw.(pull the tension screw and replace with an elastic lanyard loop through the hole an stretch it over the beavertail for extreme manuever situations, I hear that several Spec-ops teams are are using the exact same configuration now and the active retention still works, let me tell you, IT WORKS, even while working the farm all day I've never had it come loose accidentally, and it only increases draw time to 1.77 seconds to disengage.]

If I'm not at school, I'm playing with guns and accessories. THIS IS MY LIFE EVERY DAY, (though I have to play within my LIMITED bank-roll)! I run through at least 1000 rounds a week just for my pistol, yes, I have to replace the barrel every other month, fuck it, this is how I live. And, I couldn't imagine it any other way. In fact, any other LESSER way would not be safe for the general public given my "civil-warish" tendencies. [This country needs a Depleted Uranium ENEMA!]
Method
Man its all hot and heavy gun porn in here... somebody pass me the lube... (meaning gun oil of course).
blindfox
makes me wanna dash some hoppes 9 on my neck and hit the club scene just to see what kind of fish i can catch wink.gif
Tachi
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Man its all hot and heavy gun porn in here... somebody pass me the lube... (meaning gun oil of course).

Gun Oil is fine, but, keep the graphite handy, gun oil will freeze in extreme temps. Happened to me on a pheasant hunting trip in South Dakota in November 2007. Had to let the others kill my limit that day. I couldn't stop cussing, I was SO MAD. I would've had several great runs that day, but I forgot my graphite and the action on my Remington 1100 froze up (November). I ended up playing "Blocker" all day. "Blocker" is when you stand at the end of the field so the pheasant have nowhere to run. Wear a hat, you will feel the rain of lead birdshot falling on you from several hundred yards as the others shoot at targets in your "general area" Annoying? Yes. Dangerous? Not so much at that range. Just don't look up, and wear shooting glasses. Lead birdshot smarts when it hits you in the face. Even at that range.

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Edit: Fuck, I gotta be up at 7am to mow 7acres of grass on my birthday, tomorrow, er, today, too bad I can't shoot the grass. Wait, I think thr mower has a flat tire, WOOT!!
GreyBrother
QUOTE (InfinityzeN @ Aug 21 2009, 08:09 PM) *
*GM in vampire game* *snip*

WTF was in that bullets? Balefire?
knasser

My favourite:

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Oh, Wiggy...
InfinityzeN
QUOTE (GreyBrother @ Aug 22 2009, 03:33 AM) *
WTF was in that bullets? Balefire?


Silver OOO buckshot in a 10g sawed off shotgun.
Kerenshara
QUOTE (Tachi @ Aug 22 2009, 12:52 AM) *
You don't have to preach to me about the 5.56, you're speaking to the choir, here. I'm a big fan of the 6.8 SPC (6.5 grendel is nice as well) and the .308 7.62x51 (LOVE my old Remington 700 with a 42x12 scope, can you say "Better than the M-40)?. I was just comparing the 5.7 to the old 59grain 5.56 rounds which had a tendency to tumble after impact which was very similar, the main difference of which was that the 5.56 didn't make 90 degree turns. That's all.

40 gr vs. 56 gr, but comparable velocities. My understanding is that it's about shape as much as anything, as well as composition. Like I said, I only recently started paying attention to the round so I haven't gotten any hands-on time and I haven't had a chance to delve too deeply into the details of the ballistics except to find out it's a serious stinger on the way out the barrel and down range.

As to the 6.8 SPC, I was a serious proponent, primarily based on what was coming out of the Spec-Ops community about the round
vis-à-vis the 5.56 NATO. I even went so far as to hassle the people at Bushmaster about getting an ACR kit in 6.8 SPC. But then our resident right-wing nut-job at work, who's actually a really nice guy, put me onto the 6.5 Grendel and after doing some research of my own, I was blown away. Apparently the guys in Ashcanistan are pretty delighted too, because it's one round that gives them the canyon-to-canyon performance of 7.62 NATO and the close-up penetration while still letting them use their light-weight platforms and giving 40% more shots in the clip than 7.62 NATO. The 50% recoil reduction is just a nifty bonus. It's gotten to the point that (as I hear it) the folks in acquisition are actually really considering the round even over the 6.8 SPC. Another hopeful sign is that Saber Defense has started manufacturing rifles in the caliber (apparently so popular there's a line) and rumor (I haven't gotten independent 1st source confirmation) is that the Bushmaster ACR (Magpul Massada) will offer a 6.5x3 Grendel option. Alexander Arms also has dies to reload the brass on the Grendel, so that's another plus.

Now I need to decide if I REALLY want to empty the bank accounts while simultaneously torqueing off the local constabulary by purchasing a Baeowulf... (For those who aren't familiar with the weapon, it's a .50 conversion for th M-4 platform. Only works to 200m, but at 100m it punches through a V-8 Chevy the long way.)


Blindfox:: Your new nickname is "Tackleberry".
Chrysalis
QUOTE (blindfox @ Aug 22 2009, 08:10 AM) *
makes me wanna dash some hoppes 9 on my neck and hit the club scene just to see what kind of fish i can catch wink.gif



It will be a whale of a tail...

I recommend finding when the ROTC people are out clubbing.
Stahlseele
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Now I need to decide if I REALLY want to empty the bank accounts while simultaneously torqueing off the local constabulary by purchasing a Baeowulf

I guess i should not have shown you that one eh? *snickers* Girls and their Toys nowadays ^^
Kerenshara
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Aug 22 2009, 10:06 AM) *
I guess i should not have shown you that one eh? *snickers* Girls and their Toys nowadays ^^

No Stahl, not your "troll pistol". This:

Beowulf

A bit moe practical than yours, especially with a replacable 10-round clip and real recoil compensation.
blindfox
i could go on as well, but i didnt wanna lend my help to highjacking the thread too far nyahnyah.gif
we have a lot of fellow weapon enthusiasts here and im sure we could dedicate an entire board to our chatter.
i cant count how much ammo ive dumped over the years but i'm easily up around 3 hundred thousand by now, so im not sure if i should be proud to be tackleberry or amusedly insulted

actually, i think i'll puff my chest up a little and go with it, ty grinbig.gif
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