I've got weird opinions about torture, death, and killing. I have no problem with a lot of nasty things, but others will just trigger unpleasant feelings... I have no idea why. For instance, I dislike the way axes make people die, but don't mind the way swords usually make people die, despite the fact that they really aren't that different most of the time. Same with bo staves and sledgehammers; I would kill someone with either if I had to, but the thought of using the hammer makes me vaguely ill thinking about it while I have no qualms about the staff. Dunno, maybe I'm buying into the movie-myth of the "clean kill". If you'll notice, most of my suggested tortures have been using magic to produce effects; I prefer that to extracting organs, despite the fact that the magic'd probably be a rather more horrible experience. More sanitary, I suppose.
We all have our quirks, I guess.
~J
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| QUOTE (Kagetenshi) |
| We all have our quirks, I guess. |
I wouldn't call the things you mentioned above "quirks".
Swords are always portrayed as clean. Swordplay is seen as a good and fun hobby. They are common in movies, where they always kill people in very clean ways. Axes, on the other hand, are dirty. They are used by brutes, and considered "lesser" weapons. Using one to kill someone is the job of a psychopathic murderer or an executioner, if our medias are to be trusted.
Bo vs hammer is rather similar. To a degree, I guess it also goes for stuff like kung-fu vs streetfighting. Magic vs extracting organs is slightly different, but the clean vs dirty reasoning still works. How easy would it be for the torturer, if s/he could simply click the "crush testicle" button with his/her mouse in the next (soundproofed) room... And magic allows a sort of middle-road, hands-on torturing but not quite.
| QUOTE (MrSandman666) |
| To me the aura is more sickening, dirty, bloody, evil, twisted... plain wrong. |
What isn't Cool about something bloody, evil and twisted? Sickening and dirty do get slightly in the way, unfortunately. And you could say that magically controlling someone to stick a knife into their loved one is simple, yet powerful. But what you said about understanding it emotionally vs intellectually pretty much covers it. It may well be true that torture appears Cool mostly to people with emotional disorders, and to people who wish they had some.
I just love the fact that through magic and technology, you could keep someone alive well past when they should've died. Possibly even retaining their injuries, simply sustaining life? Hm.
And on a side note, to Jon, thoseare "quirks"
And on a side note, to Jon, thoseare "quirks"
| QUOTE (Austere Emancipator) |
| How easy would it be for the torturer, if s/he could simply click the "crush testicle" button with his/her mouse in the next (soundproofed) room... |
Ah, you've read the Hyperion books too, then.
When your Torment-O-Matic has a button for "broad and heated blade down esophagus," you know youre doing well.
Actually no. Sorry.
Personaly if i am going to torture some one then i have good reason and will bethere doing the work with my own hands. And i have no problems doing any thing i think will work. Not because of lack of empathy but because i can and will.
In other notes if some one really wants to get down to having fun get about six hundred thin needles stuck through various sensitive organs and start flicking them.
In other notes if some one really wants to get down to having fun get about six hundred thin needles stuck through various sensitive organs and start flicking them.
I don't find anything queasy about the theory, and discussing it usually is good to vent, however in practice I don't think a lot of people would really commit to it. In SR3 I don't think there would be too many opportunities to torture, but I think there is as many ways to torture someone as there is human nature.
The real trick of a torturer is quite honestly, know your audience. Torture is not going to work unless you can profile the individual. A torturer not only needs a torture skill, but also a psychology skill and a profiling skill. They have to know as much as possible about the person, from what they do in any given day to who they know and what makes them tick, aspirations and everything.
Some people if you threaten to destroy their status quo they'll snap, some people, destroying their hopes of a brighter future is enough, others destroying their world view or their view of their significant other. In most cases I'm willing to bet, a professional Torturer should have no need for violent means. and in 2063 pain btl's and other violent simsense should suffice, as opposed to literally cutting the target to pieces.
just my 2
The real trick of a torturer is quite honestly, know your audience. Torture is not going to work unless you can profile the individual. A torturer not only needs a torture skill, but also a psychology skill and a profiling skill. They have to know as much as possible about the person, from what they do in any given day to who they know and what makes them tick, aspirations and everything.
Some people if you threaten to destroy their status quo they'll snap, some people, destroying their hopes of a brighter future is enough, others destroying their world view or their view of their significant other. In most cases I'm willing to bet, a professional Torturer should have no need for violent means. and in 2063 pain btl's and other violent simsense should suffice, as opposed to literally cutting the target to pieces.
just my 2
But if someone has truly done something to deserve it, causing physical harm is just so much more satisfying.
~J
~J
| QUOTE (Kagetenshi) |
| But if someone has truly done something to deserve it, causing physical harm is just so much more satisfying. ~J |
Like those mother-fraggers who drive the speed limit in the passing lane! AAARRRRGGGGHHHHH!
-Siege
| QUOTE (Austere Emancipator) |
| Swords are always portrayed as clean. Swordplay is seen as a good and fun hobby. They are common in movies, where they always kill people in very clean ways. Axes, on the other hand, are dirty. They are used by brutes, and considered "lesser" weapons. Using one to kill someone is the job of a psychopathic murderer or an executioner, if our medias are to be trusted. Bo vs hammer is rather similar. To a degree, I guess it also goes for stuff like kung-fu vs streetfighting. Magic vs extracting organs is slightly different, but the clean vs dirty reasoning still works. How easy would it be for the torturer, if s/he could simply click the "crush testicle" button with his/her mouse in the next (soundproofed) room... And magic allows a sort of middle-road, hands-on torturing but not quite. |
This probably has something to do with it as well: axes and hammers are tools, even if there are forms of it which are exclusively used as a weapon (battle axes and war hammers). Still, an axe is used for chopping wood or dissecting animals before you sell their parts. Hammers are used for construction work and similar things. The wounds are usually rather messy. Swords and staffs are designated weapons and the wounds are usually not as messy (though a staff can do really nasty stuff if used 'right').
| QUOTE (Austere Emancipator) |
| What isn't Cool about something bloody, evil and twisted? Sickening and dirty do get slightly in the way, unfortunately. And you could say that magically controlling someone to stick a knife into their loved one is simple, yet powerful. But what you said about understanding it emotionally vs intellectually pretty much covers it. It may well be true that torture appears Cool mostly to people with emotional disorders, and to people who wish they had some. |
Well, to me, bloody evil and twisted is not cool. Though it is perceived to be by many, especially by roleplayers. I guess I'm an exception here. Yes, though tortures are simply yet powerfull they are not technical and they are not clean or elegant. Not to me at least. And the effect isn't powerful enough for the effort, if you ask me.
And who wishes to have an emotional disorder? If you ask me, someone who wants to have an emotional disorder already has one.
Ya know what people keep forgetting? Electricity. Used at a low amperage and voltage, it is actually good for rebuilding muscles (blow out your knee sometime, youll find out). But turn it up and it starts to do nasty things even before it leaves surface burns...
| QUOTE (MrSandman666) |
| Swords and staffs are designated weapons and the wounds are usually not as messy (though a staff can do really nasty stuff if used 'right'). |
How is a sword not messy? Maybe a rapier or any other very narrow sword can be considered clean IRL if you only stab with it, but otherwise what you get is huge gaping cuts with tissue sprouting out and blood all over the damn place.
The tool-issue certainly has something to do with it, at least when considering the history of the swords vs axes issue.
| QUOTE |
| Well, to me, bloody evil and twisted is not cool. Though it is perceived to be by many, especially by roleplayers. |
Look at gangster rappers, or The Sopranos. Violence, pain, suffering... it sells. It's interesting to the majority of humans. Even though it might mean that the majority are emotionally disturbed in some way.
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| And the effect isn't powerful enough for the effort, if you ask me. |
Not in a physical sense. But I doubt there are many things that fuck up a person better.
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| If you ask me, someone who wants to have an emotional disorder already has one. |
Why thank you.
| QUOTE (Lindt) |
| Electricity. |
Ah, the good ole Stun Stick Up The Backside trick.
| QUOTE (Austere Emancipator) | ||
Ah, the good ole Stun Stick Up The Backside trick. |
Not exactly what I was thinking, but that works too... its either that or we call the bulldreck bondage trolls...
| QUOTE (Lindt) |
| Not exactly what I was thinking, but that works too |
Sure it does, just ask the Chinese. I think it's a favorite around those parts.
Make sure it's dipped in iodine and salt first.
-Siege
-Siege
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| Look at gangster rappers, or The Sopranos. Violence, pain, suffering... it sells. It's interesting to the majority of humans. Even though it might mean that the majority are emotionally disturbed in some way. |
The only good quote I remember from the old Warhammer 40K book:
"Only the insane have strength enough to prosper; only those who prosper truly judge what is sane."
| QUOTE (Lindt @ Feb 20 2004, 04:17 PM) | ||||
Not exactly what I was thinking, but that works too... its either that or we call the bulldreck bondage trolls... |
Naw, a simple cut and stripped lamp cord works well enough, they use that now. Helps to have em with their feet in a puddle of water though
edit for stupid typo
A desk drawer is always good for a runner in a hurry!
especially with particular dangling body parts. Didn't they do that in a movie? I seem to remember a scene... help! its gonna drive me crazy till I remember
| QUOTE (nezumi) |
| I believe it's listed as the worst pain a woman is <u>likely to go through during her natural life</u>, not the worst pain mankind can conceive of. |
I've been told by someone who's experienced both that kidney stones are worse.
Someone told me a spinal tap outweighs childbirth -- can't speak from experience on either though.
-Siege
-Siege
That's 'cause the pain goes to 11!
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I think most runs are too time-intensive for a months-long torture process.
| QUOTE (John Campbell) |
| That's 'cause the pain goes to 11! |
ROTFLMMFAO!
Install a Flash-Pac into their cybereyes, except make sure the flash bulbs are backwards, and don't forget to remove flare compensation. Set the Flash-Pac to remote operation of a signal.
Force them to listen to an audio of "Judge Judy Gone Wild." Yes my friends, nothing more torturous then the sound of Judy having an orgasm. At least so I've heard.
Force them to listen to an audio of "Judge Judy Gone Wild." Yes my friends, nothing more torturous then the sound of Judy having an orgasm. At least so I've heard.
| QUOTE (Halloween Jack) | ||||
I think most runs are too time-intensive for a months-long torture process. |
Well yes, sometimes they're impractical methods. Other times, though, you have the time to do it and do it right.
~J
| QUOTE (Buzzed) |
| Force them to listen to an audio of "Judge Judy Gone Wild." Yes my friends, nothing more torturous then the sound of Judy having an orgasm. At least so I've heard. |
Jeezus, why'd ya have to go there? Now I gotta buckwheat you too.
(and a cookie to anyone who catches that reference)
| QUOTE (simonw2000 @ Feb 24 2004, 11:23 PM) |
| A desk drawer is always good for a runner in a hurry! |
And a cookie to the first person to guess the reference. And it's from the same source as the Ginger Beer Trick!
| QUOTE (Buzzed) |
| Force them to listen to an audio of "Judge Judy Gone Wild." Yes my friends, nothing more torturous then the sound of Judy having an orgasm. At least so I've heard. |
No pun intended, eh?
-Siege
| QUOTE (simonw2000) | ||
And a cookie to the first person to guess the reference. And it's from the same source as the Ginger Beer Trick! |
6M bump. The answer is from the book Night Watch by Terry Pratchett.
Anyone here read the Sword of Truth series by Terry Goodkind?
Would it be possible to create an Agiel as a focus for a Mage?
Would it be possible to create an Agiel as a focus for a Mage?
If you've got the time, get the person nice and addicted to heroine, or the SR equivalent...keep them captive for about a month of steady use, then stop dosing them, ask whatever you want, and tell them they don't get their hit until you can verify their answers...
As fun as physically hurting someone is, it seems to me that chemicals work a lot better...
As fun as physically hurting someone is, it seems to me that chemicals work a lot better...
How does one get physically addicted to a heroine? I mean, maybe if she's really good in bed, but still...
~J
~J
He means heroin, silly!
He might be talking about Wonder Woman. That show was pretty good, you know.
my fav is to lower a victim into a woodchipper feet first...overrides dmg editor...magic users wont pass there checks to use spells....and when done slow....gets the info and then some lol
How does it override pain editors in the least?
~J
~J
| QUOTE (Kagetenshi) |
| How does it override pain editors in the least? ~J |
well honestly i seen it this way..before a pain editor was installed this person had already developed the usual stimulus and response that everyone does...might not exactly feel the pain per say...but the shock of watching it happen is its own reward lol
You may want to take a look at the picture of the person with the Pain Editor in Man and Machine. I sincerely doubt they'd have a problem with the woodchipper.
For those who lack the book, it shows a human male with a knife stuck in his shoulder and his entire arm missing below the shoulder, though he has the entire upper armbone the name of which I have forgotten because I'm mostly asleep right now still, and he's smiling as he holds up a sample of something or other.
~J
For those who lack the book, it shows a human male with a knife stuck in his shoulder and his entire arm missing below the shoulder, though he has the entire upper armbone the name of which I have forgotten because I'm mostly asleep right now still, and he's smiling as he holds up a sample of something or other.
~J
ok...thats one of the few books i don't own. but ill take your word for it thx
a) Humerus (the bone question)
b) Pain editors are one thing but try BTL sex programs. They might not be able to feel pain but they can feel pleasure. It violates them in ways that I doubt real people would be able to take.
b) Pain editors are one thing but try BTL sex programs. They might not be able to feel pain but they can feel pleasure. It violates them in ways that I doubt real people would be able to take.
I remember I once had a Troll/Biker (my first SR character) and the party had just taken a prisoner from a group that ambushed us. After they tied him to a chair, and without a previous word being said, I just walked up and while rubbing my knuckles togther said "So you won't talk, eh".
The GM gave me a good modifier on my skill test, and he talked. Sometimes it's the mental scars that take the longest to heal....
John.
The GM gave me a good modifier on my skill test, and he talked. Sometimes it's the mental scars that take the longest to heal....
John.
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