Shadow:

Check out SR3, right before the section where they have a member of each race talking about being that particular race. I cant give you an exact page number (I dont have my books with me right now), but I read it quite recently. If I get access to my books before you post again agreeing with me, I'll get those page numbers and quotes to ya.

Shadow: Jason is right on this one. Although it is exceedingly rare, it is possible for metahumans to have children of a totally different race.

Well that's new then. Old SR2 stuff only orks and trolls goblinized. No dwarf's or elves goblinized they are born that way.

Elf - born
Dwarf - born
Ork - born or gob
Troll - born or gob

Elves and dwarf can be born from human parents but mostly from a mix of human elf/dwarf.

Never heard of a human giving birth to a ork or troll. Imagine the birthing difficulties. They usually give birth to a human that will goblinize though.

Just the old stuff talking here dont know about comet or new stuff.

Check out SR3, pg 47, under the "can we have babies together?" heading.

Furthermore, note that "Goblinization" is listed as a 10 point SURGE effect in YoTC. I don't know about the rest of you, but that makes it seem, to me, as if Goblinization was particularly rare even during the peak of SURGE , and not something that happens with any significant frequency otherwise.

If anyone knows of any canon references to Goblinization occuring outside of the original Goblinization wave in 2021 (and a few years thereafter) and the SURGE wave in 2061, I'd like to hear them.

I apologize. I mis-remembered.

There's a problem with explaining ork and troll mental penalties as being due to racism or poor living conditions. An ork or troll growing up in a loving family with an excellent education still has those mental penalties. The only explanation that makes sense to me it the biomedical one - more testosterone, shorter time before puberty, slightly different brain chemistry, etc. And you can still use the Bonus Attribute Edge to make an ork or troll with high mental Attributes. I often make those kind of characters, to have an "atypical" ork or troll.


I also have a problem with any Edge that negates ork or troll mental penalties. The problem is that orks and trolls already have net Attribute bonuses of +3 and +4, respectively. Without the Attribute penalties, those become + 5 and + 9! To be honest, if I am making an ork street sam, he is already likelier to have a 4+ Charisma than the human is, simply because he has 33 points that I can allocate instead of 30. An ork or troll with no Attribute penalties would be overpowered - I could see allowing such an Edge, if the ork or troll had to pay for such improved mental Attributes by accepting lower physical Attribute bonuses.

You mean like "Exceptional Attribute?"

Humor aside, Glyph's point is a good one -- a character should not be permitted to dispense with a race's drawbacks with a single Edge that outweighs the return.

I.E. a +2 Edge that negates some 7 points of bonus attributes.

-Siege